Rare frost flowers bloom in Deep South’s deep freeze

November 13th, 2019 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

With temperatures in the Deep South dipping as low as the 20s in Florida this morning, the early deep freeze provided the best opportunity in several years for frostweed (Verbesina virginica) to bloom. Here in north Alabama the 17 deg. F temperatures so early in the season provided the necessary chill to cause water from the still-warm soil to wick up through the stems and then freeze into cotton candy-shapes. Most people who live here are not even aware of these cold weather creations because they form so rarely.

Here are several photos I took after dawn this morning as these frosty blooms continued to grow.


121 Responses to “Rare frost flowers bloom in Deep South’s deep freeze”

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  1. ren says:

    There will be more opportunities for beautiful photos. Another cold front from Canada is already over South Dakota.

  2. ren says:

    We are facing a severe winter in the northern hemisphere. This year, unlike in previous years, the Barents Sea freezes very quickly.

  3. RW says:

    Cool. Are these taken from your own property?

    • Midas says:

      What happened to the La Nina which you said would definitely start by November?

      • ren says:

        It turns out that solar activity and the state of the polar vortex more affect winter conditions in November than La Nina.
        This is clear evidence that the Sun rules the climate.

        • Midas says:

          What about here in Australia. How is it affecting temperatures here? Or do you like to focus on only 2% of the planet?

          • MikeR says:

            Globally things are looking very warm.

            http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/GFS_anomaly_timeseries_global.html

            Perhaps the sun only rules the eastern half of the US?

          • ren says:

            You must wait for solar activity to increase. Then La Nina will be formed and drought in Australia will end.

          • MikeR says:

            Ren, does an increase in solar activity not only cause a decrease in temperatures in the Eastern USA but also causes a LaNina and the drought to end in Australia?

            Interesting, who would have thought?

            However I do have some reservations about your prediction for an imminent La Nina. Both the 1998 and 2010 El Ninos were on the upswings after a minimum in solar activity.

          • Scott R says:

            Midas,

            The snow mass for the entire NH is WAY above average. That is not focusing on 2%.

            https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/fmi_swe_tracker.jpg

          • Svante says:

            Scott, is that because ice loss caused increased humidity?

          • Scott R says:

            Svante,

            The AMO determines if ice at the north pole is building, melting. You can see a very good relationship between the north Atlantic and the arctic ice over the last 100 years.

            As to what to expect in the NH snow cover wise, I’m not an expert on Europe or Asia, but in the US, a warm Pacific and a cold Atlantic means lots of snow, cold. Low pressures are blocked by the high pressure in the Pacific, bring moisture to the arctic, and spring back into the US. When the north Atlantic is cold, the clockwise high pressure flow in the Atlantic is weakened, and the arctic fronts springing back due to the +PDO can make it farther south. This creates meridional flow. When you have hot and cold air masses mixing, it rains / snows a lot.

          • Svante says:

            Scott R says:

            “You can see a very good relationship between the north Atlantic and the arctic ice over the last 100 years.”

            Where can I see that?

            “a warm Pacific and a cold Atlantic means lots of snow, cold.”

            You get the most snow around freezing, so it helps if it’s not too cold.

            “Low pressures are blocked by the high pressure in the Pacific, bring moisture to the arctic, and spring back into the US.”

            You mean like this:
            https://tinyurl.com/ux7ccoy

          • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

            Svante, please stop trolling.

      • Scott R says:

        Midas,

        Ren is 100% accurate in expecting a La Nina to start. La Ninas like to form as we come out of solar minimums. The trade winds are not strong enough during a deep minimum to overturn water. This leaves the warm water at the surface. Leaving the warm water at the surface moderates our solar minimums, but has a long term cooling effect as the water underneath doesn’t warm… so when the La Nina comes, it will be cold. As long as we stay in the minimum, we will continue to set ourselves up for a stronger and stronger La Nina during the next solar cycle start.

        Not understanding this mechanism could lead someone to believe that the TSI related to the 11 year solar cycle does not do much, but it actually does. The mechanism is just complex, expressed via the ENSO cycle with it’s complex overlapping harmonics.

  4. Fred Cain says:

    Where I live (northern Indiana) it has been just about as cold as I have ever seen it in mid November.

    I wonder what this will do to our global average temperature for 2019 now? Probably next year the IPCC and/or the news media will declare 2019 as “the hottest year ever in history”.

    Regards,
    Fred M. Cain

  5. ren says:

    Winter began on November 13, 2019 in the northeast US.
    https://files.tinypic.pl/i/00992/pxb7lwqfr6q3.png

  6. ren says:

    Snowstorm develops in Mississippi.

    If you think winter will be warm in the northern hemisphere, this is a big mistake.
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z100_nh_f72.png

  7. ren says:

    The Atlantic front shows that the jetstream is moving far south. That is why it is snowing in Spain and France. High pressure over Scandinavia.

  8. ren says:

    Snowfall in central Spain on November 14, 2019. Is it too early?
    https://images.tinypic.pl/i/00992/u6c9a5n7m41h.png

    • Fred Cain says:

      Ren,

      Yes, and as I mentioned in another post, in our western hemisphere, there has also been a deep trough off the coast of Baja that has pushed the extreme southern limits of the jet stream (or westerlies) well down deep into the tropics.

      Although I have not seen any reports, I suspect that the Sierra Madre Range has seen some heavy precipitation and possibly heavy snow in the higher elevations.

      Best Regards,
      Fred M Cain

  9. Chris says:

    Record snow in Siberia and 5th highest October snow mass totals on record for northern hemisphere (that would be 50% of the planet, and probably 80% of the human population).

  10. Fred Cain says:

    Polar outbreaks like the current one are, in my opinion, partly responsible for making much of the public at large skeptical over just how serious “global warming” really is.

    I read in “Blunder” where Dr. Roy stated that polls show that some 55% of the peopled polled do not think that “global warming” is a serious issue and that the seriousness of it lags far behind concerns over the economy, Jobs, heath care, terrorism, etc.

    Now I realize that Dr. Roy wrote that about ten years ago so I don’t know if that 55% figure is still valid.

    But, if it is, it’s weather like we’re having now in the northern hemisphere that puts me in that 55%.

    Best Regards,
    Fred M. Cain.

  11. Mac says:

    Dr. Roy, please correct me if I am wrong, the frostweed forms when the ground is warm and supplies warm water to the unfrozen stems while the air temp is below freezing. This requires the air temp to drop slowly enough that the plant stem does not freeze. Is this correct?

    Here in Minnesota the frost comes on suddenly in normal times, I doubt that this could happen here. The plants are frozen and killed overnight and no longer pass water up from the ground.

    Great photos, thanks!

  12. Stephen P Anderson says:

    Frostweed!

  13. Adelaida says:

    In Spain next weekend, people will probably go skying!….And while I was loocking for the weather in my usual Forecast web,
    I found next publication:

    https://noticias.eltiempo.es/los-super-el-nino-seran-mas-frecuentes-e-intensos-por-el-cambio-climatico/
    By:
    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Picazo

    May be you can translate It! I Hope you can do it and you can talk about this futur super nio prediction too!..

    Ice flowers are so incredibles! We hope to find any soon!!

    Best regards from Spain!!

  14. Nabil Swedan says:

    Beautiful pictures. Thanks Dr. Spencer.

  15. donald penman says:

    I have driven around in Lincolnshire after dawn and noticed a mist coming up from the fields, I wonder what I would see if I looked closer.

  16. ren says:

    Successive waves of Arctic air are on their way east US.

  17. Scott R says:

    North Atlantic still dropping… we should see lots of blooms this winter with a north Pacific blob sends low pressure systems up and around to pick up the cold air, and a cool Atlantic can do little to stop them from dipping into the southeast.

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/natlssta.png

  18. SocietalNorm says:

    Cool Pics about something I didn’t even know about!

  19. ren says:

    Soon the frosty north-eastern high will attack Europe. Still January temperature in east US. Unusual frost will occur in central Siberia.
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z100_nh_f72.png

  20. Entropic man says:

    Take a look at the maps here.

    https://moyhu.blogspot.com/2019/11/giss-october-global-up-012-from.html?showComment=1573996126161

    God has decidd to make the NW USA exempt from global warming, but not the rest of us.

    • Svante says:

      Ren, is that right?

    • MikeR says:

      Just a pause. A very brief pause. The North West in November is warmer than usual for November. For the moment the aforementioned deity, bless their soul, has now turned their attention to Eastern half of the US but he/she appears to have a very limited attention span.

    • ren says:

      Svante, data in the north are ridiculous. The temperature in the stratosphere is mixed with the temperature in the troposphere. In fact, the temperature in the Arctic is perfectly normal.

  21. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    Sorry, Miker, are you familiar with the grand solar minimum? The NW corner of CONUS is just the start – a harbinger for whats in store for the planet:

    http://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/octo-brrrr-spokane-records-coldest-october-on-record

  22. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    The chill in Spokane has radiated to the south and east. All the way Down Under eventually. Say g day to your khakis and flip flops.

  23. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    Mike
    The first part of your reply, where you suggest a cold wave could mysteriously transform itself into heat, is clearly nonsense. It tells me you lack even the most basic understanding of thermodynamics (a shortcoming all too common among the warmists I have had to deal with).

    OTOH, the questions regarding a time frame are valid and understandable. The situation in Oz is dire. Now if the route of the cold air mass was due south – no problem. Easy to figure. Instead, the path is more eastward than southerly – Spokane, Kansas, Georgia, Barbados – a dizzying corkscrew trajectory. The math is unusually complicated. Nevertheless here is my prediction (94% confidence):

    – Australia will see significant relief by the first week of December.
    – By the second week, a jacket and scarf may come in handy.

  24. ren says:

    The surface of ice and snow on November 18 indicates low temperatures in the northern hemisphere.
    https://weather.gc.ca/data/saisons/images/[email protected]@sd_000.png

  25. MikeR says:

    Clovis, it is gratifying to note that you have a sense of humour and I now await the details of your calculations of the corkscrew trajectory.

    I also note with regard to your prediction, that your quoted confidence level of 94% is slightly shy of the 2 sigma level. Accordingly on my trip next month to Perth I will be extremely daring and not take a scarf, jacket or any ski gear. I like to live dangerously.

    With regard to your claims of expertise in thermodynamics, which I have no have no reason to doubt, can you employ this expertise to explain the transition from a cold wave to a heat wave. You can invoke concepts from statistical mechanics such as entropy, partition functions etc.. if need be.

    Personally I think a meteorological explanation would be far simpler but I claim no particular expertise in this area.

    I await anxiously for your response but if you want to go out and enjoy the current warmth, I will understand. Perhaps wait for the next cold snap which I am sure is just around the corner.

    • MikeR says:

      Ren,

      The anomaly time series data you have linked to above indicates that at 35 km altitude things have been 8 to 12 Degrees C cooler (dark green regions) than usual above the Arctic. However at the surface, and at lower regions of the troposhere, it shows that for the majority of the time since the start of October the temperatures have been between 0 and 4 degrees C above average (pale yellow regions).

      This is consistent with all the other data showing warmth in the Arctic. I hope this will alleviate your concerns expressed above.

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      MikeR, please stop trolling.

  26. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    Mike,
    I admire your curiosity, but at some point you need to roll up your sleeves and put in the work required to understand this stuff. Arguing on a blog is not going to cut it.
    Case in point, you should have known that thermal energy travels in waves, the crest being a warm anomaly and the trough a cool one. The cold snap we have been discussing is an example of such a trough. No surprise, therefore, that warmer weather would follow.

    it is gratifying to note that you have a sense of humour and I now await the details of your calculations of the corkscrew trajectory.

    There is nothing funny about an ice age, but as requested, here is a sample of the math used to determine a corkscrew storm track . As stated applies to the Northern Hemisphere, but obviously needs to be inverted when the wave passes into the Southern Hemisphere:

    Qs(y)1 RA + BT (y) CT (y) T (y) = 0.

    where
    T = T(t) (C) is the global average surface temperature,
    R is the globally averaged heat capacity of the Earths surface,
    Q is the incoming solar radiation (or insolation),
    y is the globally averaged surface albedo (a measure of the reflectivity of the surface), while
    A and B are empirically determined parameters.
    The term Q(1y) represents energy from the Sun into the system, while A + BT models the outgoing longwave radiation, emitted by the Earth-atmosphere system back into space.

    • MikeR says:

      Clovis, the thermodynamic insights of your description of thermal energy travelling in waves is breath taking. Does this include a steady state solution for a thermodynamics problem?

      With regard to thermal energy waves, who would have thought that a crest corresponds to a high temperature anomaly while a trough to a low temperature anomaly? You need to disseminate this insight beyond the confines of the comments section of this blog.

      I am also intrigued by your model. Is this entirely your own work? I am curious, to the point of fascination, as how you manage to use this model to provide such granular analysis such as weather in Australia weeks in advance and corkscrew trajectories. This is Nobel Prize Award winning work if you can successfully do this. Do you have computational facilities beyond that of NOAA and other r meteorological and climatological organizations? Have you developed a quantum computer to accomplish this? If so, how many qubits have you got working?

      With regards to your admonition that I should roll up my sleeves, I would have been daunted by such a task that you have taken on. I am glad that you are so committed. This combined with your sophisticated knowledge of the intricacies of thermodynamics that you have demonstrated here should put you in great stead. Keep up the good work.

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      MikeR, please stop trolling.

  27. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    Mike: the thermodynamic insights of your description of thermal energy travelling in waves is breath taking.

    Clovis: Merci beaucoup

    Mike: Does this include a steady state solution for a thermodynamics problem?

    Clovis: I am fluent in French, not gibberish.

    Mike: With regard to thermal energy waves, who would have thought that a crest corresponds to a high temperature anomaly while a trough to a low temperature anomaly?

    Clovis: This is basic physics, a concept familiar to all who have studied at University. In the ocean, the crest and trough of a wave are anomalies of elevation. In the ocean of thermal energy , the crest and trough of a wave are anomalies of temperature.

    …..to be continued

  28. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    Mike: I am also intrigued by your model. Is this entirely your own work? I am curious, to the point of fascination, as how you manage to use this model to provide such granular analysis such as weather in Australia weeks in advance and corkscrew trajectories.

    Clovis: Our team has built upon existing science. Standing on the shoulder of giants, so to speak. We have retrofit the common maths to work with recent advancements in artificial intelligence. I offered but a sample, the bulk being a proprietary secret.

    Mike: This is Nobel Prize Award winning work if you can successfully do this.

    Clovis: Yes, it is very exiting, but we are not driven by fame or fortune.

    Mike: how many qubits have you got working?

    Clovis: More gibberish.

    Clovis: I sense a tone of skepticism in your comments, Mike. This will likely change upon your visit to Perth next month. Until then, g day mate!

    • MikeR says:

      Sacre bleu! Fetchez la vache! Pardon my French but I was very disappointed that a self professed expert in thermodynamics is unfamiliar with the term steady state .To keep it simple here is an explanation –
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_state .

      We were very fortunate that your expertise was not required with regard to the Rabbett problem that consumed so many here for several months.

      Yes as a curmudgeon and a skeptic, some doubt entered my mind with your claims regarding your model of unknown provenance. Why are you so secretive and are unwilling to share more details? Are you afraid that someone is going to steal your thunder (and lightning and snow storms)? Is it a closely held state secret that is secreted in the bowels of the White House? Do I need to get a subpoena from the House Intelligence Committee? So many questions. Maybe my fellow Aussie Julian and the GRU can help.

      You claim that you and your team are standing on the shoulders of unnamed giants. In that case there is a long way to fall and the giant you have perched on is most likely a Cyclops . You should check carefully as being one eyed normally does not give you a great perspective. It is so much better to be less blinkered. On that basis you should consider that there maybe a missing ingredient (or two or more) in your model. I can suggest a couple.

      Maybe you could start with this one. http://woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/mean:12

      Your powerful A.I. should be able to provide you with an appropriate weighting that could potentially improve your fit to the data. Just a suggestion.

      Yes I shall send a report from Perth regarding your prediction at the appropriate time. I am hoping the chilly air, after its tortuous journey from Spokane, will provide some relief from the heat.

      Continuez votre bon travail.

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      MikeR, please stop trolling.

  29. ren says:

    The polar vortex forecast in the central stratosphere is unusual. Such weakening of the polar vortex at the beginning of winter has not been recorded in recent years.
    https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR2MPQfVRpyONG_GremHGS0pfMnpgsuF6X50n8lx5mXFYxs9RbdJASJHT7I#2019/11/26/0000Z/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-351.45,86.78,340

  30. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    You have a knack for comedy, Mike!

    • MikeR says:

      Thank-you Clovis for your kind words. It is reassuring to know that there is at least one person who enjoys my humour. However I couldn’t have done it without your provision of such rich material to work with.

      I admire your work and particularly enjoyed your nonsensical equation above. Was the humour deliberate or inadvertent?

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      MikeR, please stop trolling.

  31. ren says:

    If we reverse the galactic radiation graph, we can see how much solar activity has decreased since the 90s.
    https://images.tinypic.pl/i/00992/1uy82g2j7rxa.png

  32. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    @MikeR
    Nonsensical?? Only to the untrained eye.

    • MikeR says:

      Really Clovis? You definitely need to elaborate on your amazing equation below using your trained eye.

      Qs(y)1 RA + BT (y) CT (y) T (y) = 0.

      It appears to be an attempt at an energy balance equation. Is it dynamic or static? I have some other questions.

      1. You have two undefined parameters s and C. Perhaps s is meant to be a subscript to Q?

      2. On the left side of the equation, you have the product of multiple T( y) terms in the right term to form a cubic , why didn’t you write it as a cubic? However a quartic would be more sensible according to the S-B law.

      3. It is not clear what the brackets around y is supposed to mean. Is this supposed to indicate dependence of each parameter on the albedo or something else?

      4. Is T time dependent and also dependent on v? It should be written T (t ,y) in that case.

      5. Is v time dependent? Presumably it is as, everything else other than T is a constant. 6. Why are you mutiplying the left hand term by 1 ! ?

      The most sensible part of the equation is the term on the right hand side. It succintly summarizes the intellectual content of the equation.

      Finally you refer to waves in the sentence preceding the equation. You equation is not a 2nd order D.E. so the reference to waves is, to put it politely, bizarre.

      You can respond to the above questions or just refer to it as gibberish. Your choice, but if the latter, then my suspicions about your abilities will be confirmed.

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      MikeR, please stop trolling.

      • MikeR says:

        DREMT, thankyou for your contribution but troll feeding time is over for the day.

      • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

        My mistake. I’ll stop feeding you. Thanks for letting me know.

        • MikeR says:

          DREMT, apologies accepted. You were never good at reading signs.

          In the meantime heed your own advice and kindly desist in trolling, particularly as your numerous contributions are highly repetive and boring.

          Perhaps do something useful for once, stay on topic and give Clovis some help with his equation. Otherwise if you persist with your current behaviour no further correspondence will be entered into.

          Au revoir.

        • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

          “Otherwise if you persist with your current behaviour no further correspondence will be entered into.”

          Wonderful news.

          In that case:

          MikeR, please stop trolling.

          • MikeR says:

            Rather than French, maybe if it try the native language of the troll, I might have some more luck.

            Ha det.

          • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

            As with all the Climate Liars, MikeR can’t keep a promise.

          • MikeR says:

            If you keep your side of the bargain, I will keep mine.

            In the meantime does anyone know the Norweigan for shut the f… up?

          • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

            My side of the bargain was to carry on as I had been, yours was to enter into “no further correspondence”.

          • MikeR says:

            Yes you appear to be emotionally invested in continuing on your aberrant behaviour.

            Regarding your inability to read signs, even those explicitly expressed, most of us have neuroatypical traits, myself included. Nothing to be ashamed of. It’s only when the manifestation becomes out of control that it becomes an issue. Your compulsive posting of Please Stop Trolling just demonstrates where you are on the spectrum.

            Have a nice day or evening, wherever you are.

          • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

            Blah, blah, blah.

  33. Clovis Weisendanger says:

    /The most sensible part of the equation is the term on the right hand side. It succintly summarizes the intellectual content of the equation./

    Ha ha ha….very funny. Do you like vegemite sandwiches, Mike? If you were here in Spokane you might be eating a knuckle sandwich instead.
    And for your information, the equation you belittled is still in the development phase. Perhaps a little tweaking will ameliorate your concerns.

    I now look forward to you freezing your arse off come December. You had fair warning.

  34. MikeR says:

    Clovis, Any progress with the tweaks to your equation?

    I can provide some further advice if you like.

  35. ren says:

    The animation below shows the current impact of the polar vortex on the jet stream over North America.
    The coldest air comes from the intrusion of stratospheric. It is very dry and contains a lot of ozone. These properties can increase the risk of California fires.
    http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mtpw2/webAnims/tpw_nrl_colors/namer/mimictpw_namer_latest.gif

  36. MikeR says:

    Another stunning intellectual response that you are noted for!

  37. Michael Reich says:

    Sorry Ren, bloody WordPress. The above was meant for you know who, not yourself.

  38. Herr Emeritus Professor Dr Reich FRS says:

    DREMT,

    Regarding your ongoing issues, there is help available. I have been told that CBT can be used to moderate emotions and impulses in those that are afflicted.

    I think the therapist would have their work cut out. I seem to recall, correct me if I am wrong, that you posted 100 or more PSTs in one comment thread a year ago. Also your tendency to post at all hours day and night is worrisome. Maybe baby steps and wean yourself off the keyboard slowly. Go out and smell the flowers. It is a magnificent day here so that is my intent.

    Please dont take my comments so personally as, like most of us, you are using a pseudonym.

    • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

      The hero continues. On a thread in which he has commented profusely, demonstrating again and again how deeply unpleasant he is, and how much sadistic pleasure he takes in ridiculing and and denigrating others, he continues to try and take that moral high ground. In his own mind, MikeR is fighting the good fight, and his “hilarious” comments are loved by all.

      In reality, everyone just thinks he’s a c*nt.

      • MikeR says:

        DREMT, From your extreme reaction, that verges on inchoate rage, my comments may have cut to the bone. I am deeply sorry that I have upset your current persona but who would have thought that someone who can dish it out can be such a sensitive frost flower, so sensitive to slights?

        I could have also taken great offence, due to my Teutonic ancestorship, to your 2nd World War jibe, buts all’s fair in love and war . If you can’t stand the heat then either get out of the kitchen or pray for climate change mitigation.

        I noticed your mention of a ‘c’ word with an asterisk in your final sentence. The assumption about the asterisk may result in a very impolite word that would offend many. I hope this was not intended. I prefer to be more charitable and think that subconsciously your were thinking of the letter “a” as in “cant” a word which is often combined with the word “hypocritical”.

        DREMT you have demonstrated this quality, in such abundance. In fact your complaint regarding my profuse postings is an exemplar of hypocrisy. If I was to enumerate (I might need to get my code out and scrape the comments over the past year to get the exact number ) the amount of gratuitous PST bombs you have dropped, on the unsuspecting since you first appeared on the scene, it would amount to several thousand. Have you no shame? There is no need to answer as that was a rhetorical question.

        I am also sorry that everyone in your orbit have reviewed my comments so poorly. With regard to “everyone” do you mean just your imaginary friends, G* and H*ff ?

        In light of these criticisms I was thinking of reprising my role as Sacha Panza in Man of la Mancha for which the Bristol Evening Post reviewed my performance so favourably. You should also follow this approach and look on the bright side of life and try to lighten up.

        DREMT, surely you understand that no one knows who you really are. If you are so upset and embarrassed you can easily change to yet another pseudonym. I have a number of suggestions . Maybe Dr Roy’s Embarassing Mutant Turtle? How does that sound? No one would guess that it was you, as long as you refrain from PSTs, legacy attempts at thermodynamics or astronomical lunacies.

        Finally I did offer to discontinue our exchanges on one occasion and I also bid you adieu in at least two languages. You should have realized from our previous exchanges that it wasn’t going to end well and unfortunately on this occassion you have ended up resorting to vulgarity. So again, take it easy and I hope you have had a good sleep and have awaken in a better mood. Auf Wiedersehen and guten Tag.

      • Dr Roys Emergency Moderation Team says:

        “DREMT, From your extreme reaction, that verges on inchoate rage”

        What extreme reaction? I was just calmly telling it like it is. I must admit I stopped reading after that, since you were wrong from the start.

        You do go on.

  39. ren says:

    The great snowstorm will move from Nebraska to the east.

  40. ren says:

    Mountain towns in California still digging out from monstrous Thanksgiving snow.

  41. ren says:

    The cyclone wind speed in the Midwest is rising.
    https://files.tinypic.pl/i/00993/solileh0ckyn.png

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