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The NOAA CLASS system we obtain our satellite orbit files (raw data) from has been taken offline until the government shutdown ends. As a result, our UAH monthly global temperature update is delayed.
UPDATE: We have a separate data feed and so I’ll be able to post results tomorrow, Jan. 2.
Well then, we can sit back and listen to Running on Empty since that’s what we’re doing. Happy New Year!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmIbSre7Tw
Ah, yes…Jackson Browne…whatever became of him?
Read about him here. He’s more accomplished than I ever realized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Browne
Here is my question –
If the Government is shut down who is holding the sky up ???
While you wait for the whistling sound of earth boiling you can watch a video of a philosopher on global warming.
https://goo.gl/oqnoqd
eben…”While you wait for the whistling sound of earth boiling you can watch a video of a philosopher on global warming”.
I don’t know why you post this offbeat artist who gives the alarmist crowd ammo that skeptics are kooks. I am sure he is a good person who is trying to do his part to reveal corruption in climate science but his irreverent, doddering approach does not cut it.
The guy is unprepared and obviously ad libbing as he goes. That might work on late night TV for erstwhile comedians but for someone trying to deliver a critical message to the great unwashed, this guy is a waste of time. I find it tedious following him and I’m a skeptic. Can you imagine how much time he gets from viewers who might be interested in an alternative view on climate science?
Why not post the Tony Heller links you posted recently? The difference in clarity and precision between Heller and this guy is night and day.
From Eben:
https://goo.gl/WqoZKL
longer version:
https://goo.gl/3F28gN
Gordon Robertson said … at 1:11 PM
Why not post the Tony Heller links
Tony Heller’s website
https://realclimatescience.com/
is down:
Error 520 … Web server is returning an unknown error
I’m concerned that he’s been hacked. From those 2009 emails we know that the other side isn’t above unethical behavior.
steve…”Error 520 Web server is returning an unknown error
Im concerned that hes been hacked. From those 2009 emails we know that the other side isnt above unethical behavior”.
I think it’s temporary, they could be updating the site. I think that because I was able to access the site by continually refreshing the page. When I went back a minute later it was down again.
How long – not including today have you been on interweb ??? sites go down and back up all the time,
Eben says:
January 1, 2019 at 2:05 PM
How long – not including today have you been on interweb ??? sites go down and back up all the time,
Since 1996 and I thought it was internet, not interweb.
I haven’t posted here much over the years, mostly because the same discussion occurs every month, but one day I noticed that Barry is sort of a once a month regular. I traded posts with him starting in 2007. I like to pull his chain when I get the opportunity.
steve case
” From those 2009 emails we know that the other side isnt above unethical behavior.”
Is it possible that you are suffering from this slight disease Germans use to name “Konspirationismus” ?
(What, translated 1 2 1, in fact should give ‘conspirationism’, but the idiom does not seem to exist in English).
Bindidon says:
January 2…at 5:06 AM
Is it possible that you are suffering from this slight disease Germans use to name Konspirationismus?
Heller’s page is back up today with no mention of why it was down yesterday.
Do I think the other side is capable of dirty tricks? Yes, and the Dr. Peter Gleick episode comes to mind. There are those ten year old emails that reveal less than sterling behavior. Yes, I know a panel from their university didn’t come up with any findings of wrong doing. Not an unexpected result.
I’ve been banned from web sites not for breaking rules, but just because what I have to say doesn’t agree with Climate Change doctrine. Climate science is pretty much dogma, disagree and you are a blaspheming heretic. This past Sunday NBC’s “Meet the Press” announced that it was “not going to give time to climate deniers” Well if it’s done out in the open it’s not a conspiracy. You can call it what you want, but the science train left the station some time ago and has been replaced by hard ball politics.
binny…”steve case
From those 2009 emails we know that the other side isnt above unethical behavior.
Is it possible that you are suffering from this slight disease Germans use to name Konspirationismus ?”
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Is it possible Binny is suffering from major denial and downright stupidity?
We have read the emails and seen the scumbag antics they represented.
In one of the emails, your authority figures applauded the death of skeptic John Daly.
In another, the head of Had-crut threatened to block skeptic papers to the IPCC.
In another one, another of your authority figures was revealed to be the author of ‘the trick’, a technique to statistically hide declining temperatures.
All your authority figures are scumbags. Does that not bother you at all?
Gordon Robertson says: I think it’s temporary, they could be …
I been clicking my book mark
https://realclimatescience.com/
every so often for several hours now, and it’s not up for me.
I post my stuff you post yours , I’m not telling you or others what to post so why do you ?
If you don’t like it don’t read it.
If you want to learn about how to win a Global Warming debate, you need to learn philosophy about how the world works, peoples psychology and how persuasion works, the amount of watts per sq meter hitting the earth is the last on importance.
https://goo.gl/8JpkyX
Eben,
Win a debate? Perhaps convince the other person to reexamine their beliefs and premises.
But, as you state, it’s tough to do with true believers.
Happy New Year
Winning the debate is not convincing the opponent it is convincing the audience
more philosophy on warming from Scott Adams , because it gets more interesting as he goes.
starts at 11:00
https://goo.gl/qhbPs3
eben…”more philosophy on warming from Scott Adams , because it gets more interesting as he goes”.
You must have a very low entertainment threshold, this guy puts me to sleep. He is spends too much time trying hard to be cool and not enough time explaining his views.
The video at your link is 54 minutes in length and I had to skim it to get past his cool act.
My message to him is get to the point. Tony Heller packs more information into 5 minutes than Adams gets into 54 minutes.
I know, I know, don’t watch it if you don’t like it. I watched it because you seem to be a skeptic and I was interested in your link. You posted good links to Tony Heller and I have no idea what you see in Adams.
He’s like Monckton on valium.
So, an electronically operated website goes down because of a government shutdown?
Does Trump have a switch in the White House that turns off every government site?
No….the site is down because the jackasses at NOAA are a political organization affiliated to the Democrats and the shutdown is a political action.
Anyone who has cared to look knows that NOAA is no longer a scientific organization. Nor is NASA, the UK’s Had-crut, the IPCC, or the other so-called 97% of scientist who have abandoned the scientific method to follow a trail of cash laid down by alarmist funding sources.
I might include RSS in there because they have recently joined up.
Absolute proof from expert Tony Heller:
From Eben:
https://goo.gl/WqoZKL
longer version:
https://goo.gl/3F28gN
Gordon Robertson says:
“I might include RSS in there because they have recently joined up.”
They seem to be unaffected by the shutdown though. They have data for December, a three month downward “trend”:
http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_data_monthly.html
Svante
The trend picture for 1979-2018 is very interesting as well:
http://images.remss.com/data/msu/graphics/tlt_v40/medium/global/MSU_AMSU_Channel_tlt_Trend_Map_v04_0_1979_2018.730_450.png
Yes, that looks remarkably uneven.
And looks remarkably like this
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ev01KY8zXaQXsiSNAGHSbYDNG9ZuUWR7/view
I’ll write a little comment on that in Roy Spencer’s monthly report, showing trend differences over different periods.
Ooops… I forgot to add ‘Dec 1978-Nov 2018’ in the title line.
svante…”They [RSS] seem to be unaffected by the shutdown…”
I wrote to them in the past about using reds and oranges to over-emphasize warming. I think RSS are alarmists in sheep’s clothing. I am rather disgusted with them trying to put themselves forward as middle-of-the-road satellite data presenters and cavorting openly with fudgers like NOAA.
The only reason anyone would use bright reds and oranges to portray less than 1C warming is to push propaganda about catastrophic warming.
Looks like somebody is trying to hide data that will show serious cooling. The data must be still available.
tim…”Looks like somebody is trying to hide data that will show serious cooling. The data must be still available”.
I have expressed a more sinister concern. I have wondered if NOAA is not intercepting the data for UAH then running it through an algorithm to alter it, just as they have altered the surface record.
Of course, I don’t know the format of the raw data and whether that is possible.
As Tony Heller has convincingly revealed, NOAA and GISS are hell-bent on adjusting data to fit the AGW theory. They have gone back more than a 100 years in the temperature record and changed valid temperatures to make them better reflect the AGW theory.
That is not conjecture, he has original graphs which show a far different set of temperatures than the NOAA/GISS fudged versions.
During his talk, Heller keeps wondering why. Heller has a degree in geology and electrical engineering and such chicanery in science is foreign to him. My feelings exactly.
A recent treatise for policymakers shows a graph beginning at 1960, in an obvious attempt to hide a significant warming spell in the 1930/1940 era. The years 1934 and 1936 are still, by far, the hottest years in US history.
Tim Wells says:
“Looks like somebody is trying to hide data that will show serious cooling. The data must be still available.”
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Hardly, since Roy has already posted that the UAH annual figure will be ~ 0.23C above the 1981-2010 average. That means the December value has a positive sign and is between 0.24 C and 0.35C above average.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/12/2018-6th-warmest-year-globally-of-last-40/
TFN
RSS has issued its number for December 2018. It is + 0.5049 versus + 0.5309 for November.
Comment would be pointless.
Oh… one more conspiracy wave?
Trumpie generates a shutdown against all odds anf you think the administration be the cause of what he did?
Strange.
Anyway, if there was serious cooling ahead, and NOAA wanted to hide it: why then was it possible for me to download via their ftp channel on January 1 at 22:00 UTC, the data for all GHCN daily stations located in the Antarctic?
I saw there neither cooling let alone warming!
binny…”Trumpie generates a shutdown against all odds anf you think the administration be the cause of what he did?”
Since Trump beat the Democrat darling, Hillary Clinton, the Dems have carried on like a load of sore-losing, hysterical, weenie, jerks.
Although I am a Canadian, I supported the Dems through the years until recently…until they turned into a load of poltically-correct idiots. After there performance the past year, ranting against Trump, I don’t care if they ever get into power again.
I am not for this shutdown, many people will suffer. However, it’s a fact, because the politically-correct Dems are willing to step aside while foreigners charge their borders as if they have a God-given right to enter the US.
I’ll tell you something, if those same illegal immigrants charged the borders of some countries, like Iran, Saudi Arabia or China, their bodies would be strewn all over the country-side.
Hello Roy,
I’ve read your rebuttal to Nikolov’s proposed planet temp mechanism and I didn’t see him say that the Greenhouse effect or CO2 or other gases have zero effect.
So where does his mechanism fail?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/31/giving-credit-to-willis-eschenbach-for-setting-the-nikolov-zeller-silliness-straight/
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While you are waiting for the latest UAH monthly global temperature update, why don’t you read my article about global warming temperature distributions? It is very interesting !!!
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Global warming temperature distributions
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Using a single number to represent global warming, like 1.5 or 2.0 degrees Celsius of global warming, makes it hard to see how bad the problem really is. Is 2.0 degrees Celsius of global warming a major change from what we have now, or is it a minor change?
Using temperature anomalies to represent global warming, removes (or ignores) what is “normal” for temperatures. “Normal”, becomes a single temperature anomaly, 0.0 degrees Celsius. Does 0.0 degrees Celsius, really represent the “normal” temperature distribution on the Earth.
What is the solution to this problem? The answer is to look at temperature distributions, rather than single numbers. Temperature distributions make global warming multi-dimensional, rather than a one-dimensional number. Temperature distributions show how the temperature varies with latitude, elevation, proximity to the ocean, size of landmass, and many other factors.
Comparing the “normal” temperature distribution, to a “global warming” temperature distribution, makes it easier to judge the size of the problem. Are “alarmists” trying to turn a molehill into a mountain? Or are “deniers” trying to turn a mountain into a molehill?
This article will show you the temperature distributions for a range of global warming “amounts”. People with weak hearts should not look at the more extreme amounts of global warming. Seeing 10.0 or 15.0 degrees Celsius of global warming on a graph, may be too much for those with a vivid imagination.
This article offers a choice of global warming simulations.
1) with NO polar amplification
2) WITH polar amplification
https://agree-to-disagree.com/gw-temperature-distributions-1
Copying your stuff to
https://mothereff.in/html-entities
and pasting the result here would be convenient.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I don’t understand why sometimes the unicode characters print correctly, but sometimes they don’t.
Why isn’t it always the same?
Until models stop trying to ‘heat’ a cold Earth by adding atmosphere and instead examine how a hot Earth loses atmosphere as it cools they will be doomed to failure…
And 2018 is virtually unchanged from 2002-2003, less than 0.05 deg C change
To be fair, you are comparing apples with oranges: 2002/3 was a moderate El Nino period, while 2018 was a mild La Nina year.
Pft
That you might have said about 1991 as well.
https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2018/november2018/tlt_update_bar.png
It would be great if the government shutdown would continue except for those parts that can justify their existence using cost/benefit analysis.
I agree.
But unfortunately, many administrations are free of it (especially those involvend in politics), and therefore do not need to worry about the test you are looking for!
Thanks for the Link Eben. SA is an economist by training, not a scientist, thus he provides a unique perspective on the debate. It is insightful to see an intelligent, but not technically sophisticated, person try to reason the debate. Though ultimately he does not provide any deep thought.