Home/BlogThe Version 6.1 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for March, 2025 was +0.58 deg. C departure from the 1991-2020 mean, up from the February, 2025 anomaly of +0.50 deg. C.
The Version 6.1 global area-averaged linear temperature trend (January 1979 through March 2025) remains at +0.15 deg/ C/decade (+0.22 C/decade over land, +0.13 C/decade over oceans).
The following table lists various regional Version 6.1 LT departures from the 30-year (1991-2020) average for the last 15 months (record highs are in red).
| YEAR | MO | GLOBE | NHEM. | SHEM. | TROPIC | USA48 | ARCTIC | AUST |
| 2024 | Jan | +0.80 | +1.02 | +0.58 | +1.20 | -0.19 | +0.40 | +1.12 |
| 2024 | Feb | +0.88 | +0.95 | +0.81 | +1.17 | +1.31 | +0.86 | +1.16 |
| 2024 | Mar | +0.88 | +0.96 | +0.80 | +1.26 | +0.22 | +1.05 | +1.34 |
| 2024 | Apr | +0.94 | +1.12 | +0.76 | +1.15 | +0.86 | +0.88 | +0.54 |
| 2024 | May | +0.78 | +0.77 | +0.78 | +1.20 | +0.05 | +0.20 | +0.53 |
| 2024 | June | +0.69 | +0.78 | +0.60 | +0.85 | +1.37 | +0.64 | +0.91 |
| 2024 | July | +0.74 | +0.86 | +0.61 | +0.97 | +0.44 | +0.56 | -0.07 |
| 2024 | Aug | +0.76 | +0.82 | +0.69 | +0.74 | +0.40 | +0.88 | +1.75 |
| 2024 | Sep | +0.81 | +1.04 | +0.58 | +0.82 | +1.31 | +1.48 | +0.98 |
| 2024 | Oct | +0.75 | +0.89 | +0.60 | +0.63 | +1.90 | +0.81 | +1.09 |
| 2024 | Nov | +0.64 | +0.87 | +0.41 | +0.53 | +1.12 | +0.79 | +1.00 |
| 2024 | Dec | +0.62 | +0.76 | +0.48 | +0.52 | +1.42 | +1.12 | +1.54 |
| 2025 | Jan | +0.45 | +0.70 | +0.21 | +0.24 | -1.06 | +0.74 | +0.48 |
| 2025 | Feb | +0.50 | +0.55 | +0.45 | +0.26 | +1.04 | +2.10 | +0.87 |
| 2025 | Mar | +0.58 | +0.74 | +0.41 | +0.40 | +1.25 | +1.23 | +1.20 |
The full UAH Global Temperature Report, along with the LT global gridpoint anomaly image for March, 2025, and a more detailed analysis by John Christy, should be available within the next several days here.
The monthly anomalies for various regions for the four deep layers we monitor from satellites will be available in the next several days at the following locations:
+0.5 degrees is the new normal
In before the pointless bickering starts. La Nia conditions are present but expected to move to ENSO-neutral this month, and odds are it will remain so through the summer, so it’s gonna be an interesting future. Hopefully the work presented here will not be defunded any time soon.
Indeed, I am also following this with great interest. It is also apparent that the forecast of ENSO seems rather difficult given the diverging results of the models.
It is difficult. At 3 months out it’s around 80% – close to the success rate of weather predictions over the coming week – with lower odds the further out, just over 50% at 12 months out (from memory).
There is the ‘Spring Predictability Barrier’ which makes for weak forecasts that predict beyond the next Spring.
The 13 mo average line sustaining a 0.4C or greater increase over the 2015-2017 path of the line.
So what is your prediction for the next few months?
The near near term is that the T will continue at its present level, given that we are in ENSO neutral conditions.
After that is mostly dependent on what ENSO does next.
What gives you the idea that I should be able to predict the future of ENSO better than any actual expert?
So you are covered if it goes up or down.
Can u offer any better?
Apparently you can’t.
So you have nothing of substance, and you are just trolling..
Got it.
You are covered if it goes up or down.
Why would you expect me to be able to predict the weather in 6 months?
Warmer than I expected, and still little sign of temperatures returning to pre 2023 levels.
The 3rd warmest March on record. Close to March 2016.
2024 0.88
2016 0.64
2025 0.58
2010 0.39
1998 0.35
2020 0.34
2004 0.23
2019 0.22
2022 0.19
2017 0.18
2023 0.18
And 0.4 above the March of the ENSO similar year 2017.
So what is your prediction for the next few months?
You have to know what is causing it before you can create a predictive model. Nate has discovered another hole in his GHE theory.
April foolishness is over Stephen.
Wow, it took Nate two days to think that one.
Can’t take your posts seriously anymore, Stephen.
My simple forecast based on linear regression from the first three months a linear trend over time, predicts 2025 will be 0.45 +/- 0.17C. That gives a 60% chance of being the second warmest year on record, but with a reasonable chance it could drop down a few places.
https://i.imgur.com/TH1RPKO.png
However, given the unusual nature of temperatures recently, I won;t be putting money on it.
“predicts 2025 will be 0.45 +/- 0.17C”
We shall see won’t we.
Good to see the gridded data is already available. Here’s my global map in the style of the official UAH map.
https://i.imgur.com/6otGxmk.png
and the same but using a gradient fill.
https://i.imgur.com/EsUUvyB.png
Well done work, Bellman.
I wouldn’t wonder much if Bellman’s first name was… Mark.
Even with AGW the record temps of the last 2 years won’t be beaten for a while, perhaps more than a decade. Stay tuned for the next new pause!
So you’re saying CO2 is going to stop rising?
if you mean on the UAH troposphere record, perhaps. Looking at surface temperatures, highly unlikely it would go that long. Longest since 1981 was 6 yeas without a record.
Perhaps less likely re the surface records, but not out of the realm of possibility that 2024 will not be beaten for a decade or more.
So CO2 is going to stop rising? Is that your prediction?
The Tunga Eruption effects is still going strong which is why it hasn’t cooled down much.
The Tonga eruption resulted in short term cooling.
Schoeberl et al. examined how Hungas eruption affected climate in the Southern Hemisphere over the following 2 years. They found that in the year following the eruption, the cooling effect from the volcanic aerosols reflecting sunlight into outer space was stronger than the warming caused by water vapors trapping heat in the atmosphere. But most of the volcanos effects had dissipated by the end of 2023.
So youre citing a paper that predicts cooling to explain the largest warming spike in satellite historyone thats also the most inconsistent with ocean trends, which usually forecast with the troposphereand youre serious? Im struggling to follow the logic here. It seems the only valid interpretation is academia said it, so it must be true. Can you explain why that explanation holds up better than simply admitting the modelbuilt for the first wet volcano of its kindmight be wrong? Either the aerosol forcing estimate or the warming from stratospheric water vapor must be off, right? Otherwise, its like saying, My model says Pinatubo caused warming, so the observed cooling must have come from something else. Is that really what were calling objective reality now?
Cooling in the Stratosphere yes but not in the Troposphere.
When the Stratosphere cools down the Troposphere warms, and vice versa.
A warming troposphere does not necessarily correspond to a cooling stratosphere.
Factors that would cause the troposphere to warm without the corresponding cooling of stratosphere would include an increase in TSI flux or an increase in geothermal flux. There may be other factors as well. These are just examples.
Factors that would cause the troposphere to warm AND the stratosphere to cool would include an increase in GHGs or a decrease in some aerosols. There may be other factors as well. These are just examples.
Agreed tommy. Even though the HTE is slowing dissipating, it is still having a warming effect.
https://postimg.cc/06yBjXsz
There were no appreciable warming effects from the Tunga eruption.
It hasn’t cooled down because TSI is still very high in 2025.
https://i.postimg.cc/3rjGy8zG/CERES-TSI-Composite-Feb-25.jpg
Many people like to think they’ve falsified solar activity forcing.
Even if those values were correct, they still would not account for all the temperature increase since the H-T eruption.
Then, there’s the clear correlation with UAH, which doesn’t exist with the solar “constant”.
So no, the insignificant variation in TSI didn’t do it.
“… the insignificant variation in TSI didn’t do it.”
Clint your comment doesn’t even count as a valid argument.
Let’s see how significant the SC#25 TSI really was – in February, the 63rd month of this solar cycle, the sun had emitted 26.3 W/m^2 more than the last solar cycle #24 in 5.25 years, or 5.0 W/m^2/yr
This result is then divided by the canonical 4 to get 1.25 W/m^2/yr in average solar climate forcing over each of the last 5.25 years.
Additionally, the last 9 solar cycles TSI has imparted an alternating pattern in the eastern Pacific Nino regions that affects albedo particularly during/after the solar minimum until the next El Nino.
https://i.postimg.cc/7hvjBJz5/Solar-Cycles-and-Tropical-Step-Changes.png
The combination of lower albedo and higher TSI, as computed using the S-B equation, was more than enough to supply the absorbed solar. I estimated the direct TSI contribution to the ASR to be 36%, but it was TSI that set the table, changing the albedo, so it was all TSI.
https://i.postimg.cc/4NFFbVW9/ASR-and-Had-SST4.png
Just let me know Clint when you have determined the climate forcing for HTHH or any other forcing you can dream up to compete with TSI.
BW said: Lets see how significant the SC#25 TSI really was in February, the 63rd month of this solar cycle, the sun had emitted 26.3 W/m^2 more than the last solar cycle #24 in 5.25 years, or 5.0 W/m^2/yr.
That is patently false.
The average TSI over 63 months starting from the beginning of SC25 from 2019/12 to 2025/02 is 1362.24 W.m-2.
The average TSI over 63 months starting from the beginning of SC24 from 2008/01 to 2013/03 is 1361.73 W.m-2.
That is a difference of 1362.24 – 1361.73 = 0.51 W.m-2. That isn’t even remotely close to your claimed 26.3 W.m-2.
BW said: This result is then divided by the canonical 4 to get 1.25 W/m^2/yr in average solar climate forcing over each of the last 5.25 years.
Again, this is patently false.
The actual radiative force is 0.51 W.m-2 * (1 – 0.3) / 4 = 0.09 W.m-2. That isn’t even remotely close to your claimed 1.25 W.m-2.
This data comes from the LASP Interactive Solar Irradiance Datacenter.
Bob,
It is easy to test if there is a correlation between high solar activity and temperature over the past 15 solar cycles. If there is any, it must be very weak and overshadowed by other factors.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Of7yZ4zPw26ptxB0CqKHkwmJwhZfhgszYsw9O7tdmgk/edit?usp=sharing
My analysis shows a small correlation between TSI and UAH TLT. Using the single factor removal technique in conjunction with machine learning training against 5 independent variables it equates to about R^2 = 0.02 at 0.1 C per W.m-2 with the goal of minimizing RMSE.
Its a lot harder to detect is the global effect of speed changes in earth’s orbit.
Mean TSI changes at an assumed static distance (1au for example) which is the mean distance from earth to sun d0oesn’t do the job.
It’s akin to setting a one foot measurement standard as the Emperor’s first born foot size.
Also measuring TSI in watts doesn’t tell you how much energy is being received. Thats like just looking at a wattage label on an variable speed drill and thinking you know how much energy it used last year.
What you want to measure is watthours, not watts.
Changes to earth’s ellipticity makes for 13 to 14% deference in how much sunlight varies over time due to distance changes. And the distance changes will affect speeds through the hottest and coldest parts of the orbit.
Unfortunately I have never seen a chart that correctly documents those variables for TSI.
I guess some people need to read a few papers about Hunga Tonga which talk a bit less about water vapor and a bit more about SO2 and aerosols…
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1. Tracking the 2022 Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai Aerosol Cloud in the Upper and Middle Stratosphere Using Space-Based Observations
Taha & al. (2022)
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2022GL100091
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2. Growth and Global Persistence of Stratospheric Sulfate Aerosols From the 2022 Hunga TongaHunga Ha’apai Volcanic Eruption
Boichu & al. (2023)
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2023JD039010
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3. volution of the Climate Forcing During the Two Years After the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai Eruption
Schoeberl & al. (2024)
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024JD041296
Its difficult to believe that these natural variations in temperature that we see across the entire chart above are chaotic. There may be a chaotic element to them but it is clear that we recently had an astronomical event that resulted in about 5 extra days close to the sun vs further way from the sun over how much we had in 1980 as verified by the US Naval Observatory.
We can also clearly see via spectral analysis of outgoing longwave radiation that frequencies in CO2 bands are far more saturated than in the water vapor bands, such that water vapor feedbacks would be very robust for any increase in total sunlight observed on earth. I figure the reason for this in view of how much water vapor is in the air compared to CO2 is that water vapor is not evenly distributed and that shows up with less blockage of LW in the water vapor frequencies when only mean global outgoing LW is estimated. All that is pretty uncertain especially as we consider clouds and precipitable water in the atmosphere.
With three known variables for sunlight 1) orbit perturbances of speed changes of earth through its orbit as confirmed by the US Naval Observatory. 2) year over year changes in earth’s orbit ellipticity brought about by the same. 3) solar activity that affects the amount of high frequency radiation received by earth.
That and planet movement tables strongly suggests that the decline in the effect is going to continue to move slowly over the next year and a half or more.
Sea ice feedback appears to be kicking in about two years after this anomalous event kicked in so we should expect this will tend to slow the declining effects of Jupiter moving into what is likely several years of strong cooling influence beginning this summer.
But the best we can expect of it is a neutralization of the warming effects of the other planets over the next few years. We have seen recently that it can take a long time for the ocean to cough up its heat with ocean adjustment time periods estimated to be around 10 years. Thats probably because of the GHE and atmospheric temperature is a factor along with absorbed solar radiation directly into the ocean as opposed to only on its surface.
The recent update to solar activity now recognized here https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression
that the 2019 predictions were quite low. You can see by how much by selecting the 2019 prediction in the small drop down box in the lower left of the graph.
The current prediction doesn’t have solar activity dropping below the long term average until around late summer 2027 and not reaching a minimum until 2031
We can expect a small warming bump after that with Jupiter moving back to the warming side by 2032. But Jupiter will not catch Saturn again until 2040 when they will combine their effects on the cool side which hasn’t happened since 1980.
As a caution against those who wish to dispute this, all the above is operating from an assumed non-warming influence (detrended to zero) estimation of the effects of increasing CO2.
That certainly doesn’t have to be the case and I am not predicting that to be the case.
Instead I am simply operating from a position of uncertainty about the effects of increasing CO2 and thus have not attempted to plot it. So this is not an attack on CO2 worriers and special interest warriors. The only thing I am certain of is that some of the warming experienced since 1980 is attributable to the items noted above and not part of any warming from CO2 as CO2 does not affect the sun nor earth’s speed through the warmest and coolest parts of its orbit.
The new Monckton Pause starts in 2023/06 and is 21 months. The average of this pause is 0.70 C which is 0.49 C higher than the average of the previous pause of 0.21 C which lasted 107 months starting in 2014/06.
My prediction for 2025 is 0.43 +/- 0.16 C.
Really appreciate this long-term, extensive dataset. This will be an invaluable historical record for the development of climate change. Please keep it up.
Yes, this space-based dataset nicely takes readings averaged out over a larger area than relying on one lone ground station representing a large area of varying characteristics.
This half-century of data also clearly shows there is no mystical feedback loops that will accelerate the warming. It’s been 1.5C/century for decades, in spite of ENSO, Tunga, climate policies and even the industrialization of Asia.
Second- and third-order polynomials fit the data than a linear model, suggesting that the warming is accelerating.
” … suggesting that the warming is accelerating. ”
No need to be an alarmist to understand you. It’s enough to look at the polynomials:
https://i.postimg.cc/sgytGv69/UAH-6-1-LT-Globe-lin-vs-2p-vs-3p.png
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If there were no acceleration, the green, yellow and red lines simply would coincide.
UAH Mean and Median Global for Mar 2025
https://climatedatablog.wordpress.com/2025/04/03/uah-mean-and-median-global-for-mar-2025/
UAH Mean and Median Tropics for Mar 2025
https://climatedatablog.wordpress.com/2025/04/03/uah-mean-and-median-tropics-for-mar-2025/
Are you expecting the 5 y mean to follow that rapidly rising projection?
That would be high rate of accelerated warming.
Nate
The so-called ‘projection’s in Blindsley H00d’s (RLH’s) graphs are nothing else than the right end of a multiply applied 60 month Savitzky-Golay (SG) smoothing.
Unlike the 60 month cascaded running mean which ends 30 + 25 + 19 = 74 months before the end of the time series it is applied to, a SG smoothing applied to a time series starts at the time series’ begin and ends where the time series ends – like do linear trends or polynomials, see my post above.
To make the SG end looking like a ‘projection’, Blindsley H00d hides the beginning of the SG.
And his 12 month median computation still is wrong but he never admits his mistakes let alone would he ever correct them.
Here is how correct median computations for UAH 6.1 LT look like:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174CxYCkDKfQMUhAR4TnWXeKj58yhIiCYvCOF4koSfec/edit?gid=2068381560#gid=2068381560
Strange how your ‘filter’ lets through high frequency.
The March reading seems to support the theory that there was some kind of sudden event or effect a few years ago, and that effect is now dissipating. The big question is the same as every month, and that is where does it go from here? The potential for month-to-month variability is large enough that no single month really has much significance for the future direction. The red line is still going down, so at least one peak is over.
I think future peaks and troughs will wiggle around the 0.4C above the the current baseline. 1987-1997 averaged around -.2, 2000-2015 around 0, and 2015-2023 wiggled around the 0.2C level so after this big peak finishes it’s run I think temps will settle in around the 0.4C level. I’m using the 1998 peak as model.
That’s just eyeballing a graph without consideration of the underlying physics, so no guarantees or bets.
SOLAR MINIMUM UPDATE
Billionaire businessman Mark Cuban predicted economic disaster for Alabama and other southern states if the Department of Government Efficiency continues on its trajectory of slashing federal workers and cutting spending that bleeds into the private sector.
I think there is going to be a Red Rural Recession and soon if all the cuts continue as is, Cuban posted to the Bluesky social media platform on Wednesday.
All the firings, cancelling of grants and contracts with companies, the closing of offices, disproportionately impact small towns, cities and states, Cuban continued. Their finances will be turned upside.
https://www.al.com/politics/2025/04/mark-cuban-issues-dire-prediction-amid-elon-musks-doge-cuts-red-rural-recession.html
Well done, everyone!
The monthly UAH satellite lower tropo temperatures for March 2025 are out, thank you dr Spencer, showing an increase over AUSTRALIA.
There is much discussion about whether the Hunga Tonga eruption of 15th Jan 2022 plays a part.
The following graph does not prove anything.
It is, however, suggestive that Hunga Tonga could be playing a part.
Geoff S
https://www.geoffstuff.com/htstart.jpg
Geoff Sherrington
I’m wondering about your chart which actually leads to a massive overestimation of HTE’s effect in your Australia corner.
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1. Here is a comparison of the full monthly UAH 6.1 LT ‘AUS’ record to a time series constructed out of on average over 600 GHCN daily stations in Australia active since Dec 1978:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ALtyse1bAtTyNh9uMzCMNw1lJbGbHEpK/view
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2. The overestimation becomes even more visible when restricting the monthly series to the period you used above:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KEpnmIbe3YusZtWnjEa3D8witx7u3vWf/view
{ The linear estimates in C / decade for 2015-2024 are
– GHCN daily: -0.08 +- 0.21
– UAH LT: 0.38 +- 0.17
to be compared to those for the entire sat period:
– GHCN daily: 0.18 +- 0.02
– UAH LT: 0.21 +- 0.02
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Top 10 of a descending sort of monthly anomalies for UAH 6.1 LT over Australia since Dec 1978:
2024 8: 1.73 (C)
2024 12: 1.54
2002 6: 1.53
1998 5: 1.50
2023 7: 1.49
2009 8: 1.44
2004 6: 1.39
2016 5: 1.33
1997 2: 1.29
2023 8: 1.29
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HTE ‘s effect is since beginning grossly overestimated by those who exclusively talk about stratospheric water uptake while ‘ignoring’ the effect of the aerosols resulting from SO2 upload.
Crisis over? There never was any crisis! Stay calm and carry on.
The Moyhu surface temperature index showed a similar small rise of 0.04C. It was the second warmest March in the record, after 2024.
https://moyhu.blogspot.com/2025/04/march-global-surface-templs-up-004-from.html
It seems very strange for the TLT dataset to show NH land anomaly going from
01/2025 1.06
02/2025 0.56
03/2025 1.07
That drives Global Land anomaly to go
01/2025 0.92
02/2025 0.58
03/2025 0.87
Is this correct?
Everybody still feeling good about cost of living, the economy, etc?
Anybody feeling any buyers remorse yet?
I can understand needing to explain complex relationships, but this is really simple. Panic-sellers and people who need to sell assets on the short term are getting hurt. Experienced investors who invest for the long term and maintain adequate cash assets (think money market funds) will just ride it out like we always do. The markets will recover. People who think they can time the markets are just as foolish as people who think computer simulations can predict the future.
Competent people say the fundamentals of the US economy are still very strong. This problem is best described as “self-induced”. The self who did the inducing needs to do a better job of listening to people. Others would say we need short term pain for long term gains. My crystal ball is very fuzzy, but conservative media are reporting the other quotes from world leaders, in addition to the ones you hear about fighting back from the left-wing liberal media. Many governments are expressing a strong desire to negotiate new trade agreements. Stay tuned.
“will just ride it out like we always do”
A reminder of Lord Keynes:
“Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”
But this one seems rational.
Tim,
You always seem confident that our President is acting rationally. A month ago, you were sure his tariff threats were just leverage to get things he wanted from Canada and Mexico. And he would succeed.
But now we see that was not the case at all. He likes the idea of tariffs. And now he has started an unprovoked world trade war.
Hopefully people like you will figure out what will be the predictable economic consequences.
Yes, all those who thought tariffs were merely a strategic threat have moved on to new and improved rationalisations.
“Competent people say the fundamentals of the US economy are still very strong.”
No doubt these are not the people who were trash-talking the economy while Biden was in power. But yes, Trump has the previous government to thank for a fundamentally sound economy. Now he is wrecking it. None of his followers voted for the economy to get worse, but people who have faith in Trump would be happy for him to burn the constitution if he told them it was necessary.
So the previous administration adding 7 trillion dollars of debt made the economy fundamentally sound?
You saying the 8 trillion Trump added make the economy unsound?
Debt accumulates under every president, conservative and Republican,and the fitness of the US economy is based on a range of issues, from jobs to inflation, to GDP, deficit reduction, etc. The US economy rebounded fairly effectively from COVID, slashing the unemployment rate, with moderate wage growth, a strengthening stock market.
Inflation increased to a high point, then receded to usuallows by the end of 2024. While the deficit was reduced in the 4 years after the Trump administration, the debt increased significantly in real terms, though not as a percentage of accumulated debt.
Yes, Trump inherited a pretty robust economy from the previous government (including congress – it’s not the president who sets spending).
“Debt accumulates under every president, conservative and Republican”
Meant Democrat and Republican, of course.
Stephen, if prices rise this year, that is all on Trump. If the economy tanks this year, that is all on Trump.
As you should know, gov revenue goes down when the economy tanks. So the Debt will increase. That will be all on Trump.
Nate,
What if there is deflation this year? Will that be on Trump?
If the economy picks up, and this can be shown to be due to tariffs, then Trump can take the credit.
At best,though unlikely, by the end of the year a few industries may be economically healthier due to tariffs giving them an advantage. I don’t know which industries. Maybe auto – which has been lobbying hard for Trump to make exemptions on the material they import.
And there is the point. If a company requires foreign material at any point in their production,they will now be paying more for those materials. This cost will be passed onto consumers, reducing the advantage that tariffs supposedly give the industry.
But taken as a whole, these tariffs are going to be a significant nett negative for the vast majority of Americans who are not wealthy enough to dispose some of their income to higher prices.
Barry,
The economy is not going to turn around. We are at a Grand Supercycle Top. You leftists will exploit it the best just like you do anytime there are economic crises. Leftists do not care if it all crumbles into a pile of rubble as long as you are on top of the pile declaring yourselves “Kings of the Pile” of rubble.
Stephen, if there is deflation then we’re in a depression.
Yeah, what’s your point?
The U-turns that Trump cultists make as he breaks his election promises is as turgid as it is predictable.
After complaining about the economy and voting for Trump, who promised them an instant turnaround, to make it all rosy again, they now argue that a steep economic downturn is as needful as it is inevitable.
What muppets, parroting Trumpian apologists without blinking as they step over the vast gulf between what they were certain of last year to its exact opposite.
Should Trump invade Greenland they will nod their vacuous heads in agreement. And when Trump insists that he needs to ignore parts of constitution to Make America Great Again, they will become little lawyers to argue the case for him.
“Grand Supercycle” – the latest apologist talking point no doubt. Here come the little economists to broadcast the newest rationalisation.
Barry,
I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he could turn it around. Presidents can’t turn an economy around. The best they can do is try to remove regulations to get out of the economy’s way. We are at a market top of epic proportions. This downturn could last decades or centuries. This is a top akin to what preceded the South Sea or Tulip mania bubble or possibly the Dark Ages. It has nothing to do with Trump. I voted for Trump because I thought he would be the best fit to manage it initially, he and Musk. But this is way bigger than two men, or politics or anything. In ten years the geographic boundaries of the planet will look quite different. You leftists will have your little kingdoms of tyranny around but they won’t be what you think they are.
Barry,
Do you know why most Americans voted for Trump. Because he didn’t try to use the Department of Labor to force every working American to take the vax. Only a tyrant would do that. I know you leftists love your tyrannical policies but then why don’t you go live in North Korea or Australia? Oh wait, you do.
“Presidents cant turn an economy around”
But apparently they can cause economic meltdowns.
Trump is just reacting to what he’s seeing and the information he is privy to. The money supply started shrinking last year, the market topped in December, banks are in trouble, the Fed is out of bullets, Trump is trying to do something. Nothing is going to work. All the King’s horses and all the King’s men, can’t put Humpty together again. Over 100 years of progressive ideology, the FED, income tax, entitlements, the New Deal, Great Society, and on and on, has finally done us in.
If the Democrats had not stolen the election in 2020 Trump might have had a chance to prolong this awhile but it has been approximately 234 years since the Constitution was ratified by all 13 colonies. So, Trump would have been fighting nature.
Or, or the guy is simply power mad.
There was no economic crisis until now Stephen.
Oh yeah, no economic crisis? Where have you been for 4 years? Prices have gone through the roof. Have you tried to buy a car lately? Or a ribeye? Where do you live, Nate?
“I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he could turn it around.”
Ok then. You will be among a minority of Trump supporters who won’t be disappointed.
August 2024: “Starting on day one, we will end inflation and make America affordable again, to bring down the prices of all goods.”
September 2024: “We’re going to get the prices down. We have to get them down. It’s too much. Groceries, cars, everything. We’re going to get the prices down.”
October 2024: “Starting on day one, we will end inflation and make America affordable again. We’ll do that. We’ve got to bring it down.”
November 4 2024: “A vote for Trump means your groceries will be cheaper.”
Bringing down the cost of living was the 2nd most important thing for Trump voters. Concerns about inflation and cost of living was often the top issue for all voters, particularly Republican voters.
https://www.bankrate.com/personal-finance/2024-election-and-the-economy-survey/
https://navigatorresearch.org/post-election-poll-how-economic-issues-played-out-in-house-battleground-districts-in-the-election/
https://2024electionpoll.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.-Results-by-race.pdf
Lowering the prices of essential goods polled as the most important way of easing financial pressure with the 2024 election in mind.
https://www.nefe.org/news/2024/10/47-percent-of-us-adults-believe-personal-finances-may-be-impacted-by-2024-election-results.aspx
Strangely, Trump’s campaign messaging did not ever let his supporters know that a vote for him was a vote for years of economic hardship. I wonder if he would have won with an honest campaign…
“Oh yeah, no economic crisis? Where have you been for 4 years? Prices have gone through the roof. ”
But you’re ok with that getting even worse as a direct result of Trump’s tariffs?
Biden didn’t cause the global issue of higher prices. Every country suffered that post-COVID and with the Ukraine war. But Trump is going to be sole owner of the coming major price hikes that you’ve been defending, stephen. The very thing you now call an economic crisis.
I don’t think Trump has a chance of making the econony better. It is too late. I know he promised he would, but he can’t. But, still Trump is much better than the alternative to lead us through the coming years. You guys are still consumed in your little paradigm. Your little paradigm is over. You Australians should start thinking Mad Max.
You are actually satisfied with the notion of economic armageddon.
None of this was inevitable or needful. But at least you’re not trying to pretend it’s not going to happen, like so many Trump sycophants. No, you are patting him on the back for having the guts to hurt poor people, while he and his rich friends can keep on sipping cocktails.
You know what would have brought trillions of dollars back to the US over several years? Higher taxes on business and high income earners.
In Trump’s first term he reduced taxes on the highest money-makers, resulting in substantial losses in government revenue, the largest increase to the debt at the time, and an increase in deficit.
Trump’s policies grew the debt. And now far less affluent people are going to pay for it.
“Have you tried to buy a car lately? Or a ribeye?”
Yes, bought another Toyota thankfully last summer. Now the price of it will be more than $10,000 higher.
Even though they are partly built in your state!
Thanks to one person. Who wants to force Americans to buy inferior products at a higher price.
Is that your version of freedom and liberty?
Who was elected on the promise that he would lower prices.
Are you able to think for yourself, to see that this policy will do the opposite?
Nate,
The autos made here won’t have tariffs on them. So, you can still buy your Toyotas. Trump just wants everyone to play fair. He’s trying to help the American worker. However, the economy is at a natural cycle high. There is a meltdown on the way and there is nothing or no one under the Sun that can stop it, including Trump.
The autos made in the US are going to be more expensive, because some of the parts are imports. And when prices go up on imported cars, local makers will jack their prices up, because they are beholden to shareholders, not to consumers, or to Trump’s vision.
“However, the economy is at a natural cycle high. There is a meltdown on the way”
Not what we heard pre election from Trump.
Do normal people in the US actually believe all that rubbish about the “stolen election”? I always thought it was just the madman ranting.
Nate, did you feel buyer’s remorse in 2021?
Stephen says: ” Trump just wants everyone to play fair “.
I wish that was the case! However, reality is that all of his major trading partners have relatively low tariff rates – much lower than what he is proposing. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1i9MWHeoPw_nd4ffvwr5oPTFoQ3JC30v55iALMVM_WUU/edit?usp=sharing
I need to report something very troubling. People should be sitting down when they read this. In the wake of the trouble he caused, throwing the world economy into chaos and crashing the stock markets, Trump is out playing golf. The radical left-wing liberal news media have video proof of Trump on the golf course. The clear implication is that he does not care about the people and should be doing something about the crisis he has caused instead of enjoying himself playing golf.
But wait a minute! Isn’t that the real problem, that he is in the Oval Office doing things? Maybe we would be better off if he played more golf and spent less time destroying everything. Once again, the Democrats and their loyal partners in the media have got their talking points all screwed up. And they think Trump is confused.
Yes, it’s dumb when people focus on the golf instead of the economic chaos and market crashing, Tim.
Is this a ‘look a squirrel’ by Tim to try to distract us from the unfolding Trump-made disaster?
FYI, the reality is that politics is in part optics.
Have you decided yet whether this gov policy is rational or not?
I didn’t see him swing a golf club on the libral news media, but they did show him riding around in a golf cart on a golf course.
So, you decide if he was playing golf or not.
A three day tournament, apparently, which he won, yet again. Amazing golfer.
When is the Roy Spencer best seller…
Coming about why he is still pretending???
School funding?
Lab funding?
It’s not a beach house or kids college fund.
The man has integrity… There is literally 0 evidence of him.Probably literally giving anything we all know he’s an honest man.
Except that he knows he is publicly FULL OF SHIT.
Problem is DR SPENCER… THAT IN ITSELF MAKES YOU A LIAR.
THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD TRULY BELIEVE THE DENILISM…
HENCE..
PROPOGANDA YOU STILL LIKE SILENTLY STAND BEHIND.
I WRITE THIS CRAS COMMENT BECAUSE YOU’RE 77.
I REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE LATE 60S.
BUT 77 IS CLOSE TO THE END.
JUST DONT DO OUT PUSHING BULLSHIT.
PLEASE DON’T YOU AFFECT SO MANY PEOPLE.
IM 42. 20 YEARS AGO I WOULD HAVE CRIED THAT OUR MILITARY NEEDED DEFUNDING TO PAY FOR REAL LIBERAL ISSUES.
I’M 42 NOW STILL A LIBERAL AND I BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE. I LOVE OUR MILITARY.
ECONOMY + MILITARY IS WORLD BREAKING.
My point is I am still who I am at my core but my view on that CHANGED because I learned i read and grew the world everything and now I completely disagree with my younger self on that.
Obviously the clock is ticking…
In clear and certain terms.If you die this way with this current view, you will go down as nothing.You will be nothing in history because you’re WRONG publicly.
Not in Roy’s house.
If you can at least get real with yourself a little bit.You will be remembered As a smart man cause a smart man would never go down lying for no fucking reason.
Apologize for my grammar talk to text sucks.We all know that have a good day everybody…
Thanks for your time DOCTOR SPENCER.
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I’m not sure what point(s) you are making here. And my age is 69, not 77. –Roy
When the Northeast is frozen.
https://i.ibb.co/Gv63D7HG/gfs-o3mr-150-NA-f096.png
The cult kids have started showing their ignorance of economics over their ignorance of science. Their hatred of Trump appears to have priority over their hatred of reality.
And one of them even seems to believe Keynes knew anything about anything, except homosexuality. These are the kinds of people that sell stocks at the bottom and buy at the top. That’s why we put up with them….
Marmite is a thick, dark, sticky, salty paste made from brewer’s yeast as a byproduct of the British beer making industry. You put it on toast, with butter. It’s an acquired taste and most Americans find it disgusting. It’s not made in America. It was never made in America. It’s never going to be made in America. No one is going to start up a Marmite factory in the US to employ Americans making some stinky, sticky, yeast extract that exactly one American actually likes. No American jobs have been lost to the British Marmite industry. It’s imported. So, why is there a tariff on it? Might as well tariff a bunch of penguins on a remote island somewhere, makes about as much sense.
Ark, import tariffs on things that are not imported have no effect on anyone.
More examples of your incompetence, please.
Ark,
You are a blithering boob. Nothing about the Biden administration made one iota of sense. Yet nothing from you. You love tyranny until it is turned on you. You are a leftist propagandist, nothing more.
The dummery is painful. Marmite is a minor import to the US. No one is going to start a marmite factory in the US. It is pointless to tariff Marmite.
The US is even putting tariffs on countries with which they have a trade surplus. There is no rational justification.
It’s an international shakedown, based on a ridiculous formula that does not include any variables that represent tariffs at all, and comes with a universal 10% tariff on the rest of the world.
The premise and the rhetoric underpinning this fiasco is that every single country in the world is playing the US for fools. That’s what you have to believe to make sense of this universal abrogation of trade agreements.
Tariffs are a tax increase on everyone. How is this a Republican policy?
Trade wars are dumb. They make the cost of living higher for everyone. They made the Great Depression worse.
And why is it even possible for one man, lacking sanity, to inflict this on the world?
Republican’s in Congress need to wake up and reassert their power over taxation.
The economics is absurdly simple.
A product, like clothing, is made in Vietnam where the cost of labor is quite low. We buy the clothing here at a low price.
Trump imposed a 46% on Vietnam. Now the price of these clothes here is going to go up by a lot!
Then presumably the clothing would be made here, at an obviously higher cost.
Then the price will not ever return to its previous low cost.
None of this makes economic sense. Supposedly Trump believes the US needs to return to being a manufacturing powerhouse, possibly to assume some sort of manufacturing independence.
But the universal tariffs actually make it harder for local manufacturers, who now have to spend more on every imported item or material they need. If they are abletosurce from the US, they weren’t buying local because imported was cheaper, so either way, their production costs are going up,and this is going to passed straight on to the consumer. The advantage they may have had from tariffs on competitive products is undermined by tariffs on the raw materials.
Either way, things are going to cost more for Americans.
Then there is the time frame. It takes year to set up a manufacturing plant. It will take years for the vision to realise,and until then there is no economic upside for Americans.
They’ll feel the pinch by July. And if the tariffs are mostly maintained, expect a blue wave at the next midterms as those who voted for prosperity lose faith.
Nate and barry join Ark in their cult ritual of attacking Trump. It is how children handle their hatred.
There’s no use in trying to educate them. Their heads are closed to facts.
They don’t even understand the word “reciprocal”.
“Theres no use in trying to educate them. Their heads are closed to facts.”
Translation from Clintspeak to English:
‘Clint has no sound rebuttal’
Yup, just the usual mindless ad hom from Clint. Nothing substantive to say.
A useful idiot.
The things Nate and I are saying are not controversial. These things are obvious. Universal tariffs raise the cost of everything. That’s not doomsaying or leftist propaganda, it is simple arithmetic.
Trump knows it, which is why he is talking f about “short-term” pain. stephen knows it, which is why he is parroting this line.
It’s not controversial. Purchasing power for families in the US is going to take a significant hit as long as these tariffs run. US manufacturers will have to pay more for every item they import to make their product. These costs will get passed onto consumers, and these costs will reduce or even eliminate the purported advantage putting tariffs on foreign products gives local manufacturers. Also, local manufacturers will bump their prices up anyway, because tariffs will hike prices for imports, so local companies reporting to shareholders will jack their prices up because the market gives them the headroom to do it. That’s what capitalism is about – maximising profit. Companies don’t care about populist ideology.
There are dimmer dihards like Clint who won’t talk straight about these very straightforward impacts, but instead get snide when people bring them up.
If he uses those tariffs to pay down the debt that is a good thing. Have you ever been in deep debt? I haven’t but know people who have. In order to pay down their debt they have to live austerely for a few years until their debt is paid, and then insure they don’t repeat the same stupid mistakes.
Child Nate, “reality” is my “sound rebuttal”.
You and barry can’t stand reality. That’s why you constantly resort to insults and false accusations. Not one of you cult children would be able to pass a simple reality check. For example, what is the end result of reciprocal tariffs?
“Child Nate, reality is my sound rebuttal”
Translation from Clintspeak:
“I still have no substantive response”
As I stated, the kids can’t deal with the simple reality check.
They just keep proving me right.
Gee some day Clint may have a substantive response, but today is not the day, apparently.
“If he uses those tariffs to pay down the debt that is a good thing. Have you ever been in deep debt?”
You can think of no better way to reduce debt than tariffs? The money received won’t be significant compared to the debt, and it relies on two assumptions – foreign exporters will be happy to keep selling the same volume of goods to the US,and Americans will buy the same volume of goods – even though they are more expensive.
Trump’s rhetoric has many supporters believing it will be foreign countries that pay this money. He claimed in his first term, over and over, that China was paying the tariffs he imposed on that country.
There are many different options to reduce debt. Raising taxes is a very straightforward one, much simpler to implement, and much more predictable. This would provide a stable and adjustable method of raising money to pay down the debt. The taxes would need to be pretty steep, though.
Conservatives would hate that, so it’s politically challenging. So Trump is taking money off you in a different way that amounts to the same thing.
But it’s extraordinarily bad planning. Instead of going through congress and making these tariffs law (it couldn’t be done), this has been done by executive order under emergency powers. The tariffs can be immediately undone by the next president. Only a miniscule proportion of the debt could be paid off by then.
Trump’s major weakness is that he doesn’t go through congress. He doesn’t know how to build a coalition on issues. He dictates. So all his actions are EOs, and of those that have been challenged in the courts, most have been struck down or held off. His orders are unlawful.
Even if these tariffs were not patently harmful to the global and US economy, Trump doesn’t have the political nouse to get congress to make them law. Of course, his go-it-alone method is loved by his supporters. It makes him look like a swamp-drainer. But all he’s doing is making a new swamp – a smaller one with him the king of it, and fewer challengers to his rule.
Barry,
So you think raising taxes will help pay down the debt? You’re a good little leftist aren’t you? Make the rich pay their fair share I say!
Nothing wrong with that idea. But even just closing tax loopholes would generate significant revenue.
You think the poor should shoulder the burden of paying down the debt? You think CEOs only making $2 million a year instead of $4 million would hurt them more than the tariffs will affect middle and lower economic class Americans?
Interesting priorities.
Companies were doing fine with a 35% tax, recording higher profits in the years leading up to Trump’s handout. Reducing to 21% was a major loss to revenue.
The idea was to incentivise reshoring and build business, but mostly corporations bought stocks back, benefitting shareholders.
The recent tariffs, of course, are going to work well against corporations investing in new works and job creation.
Fortunately, Trump has been deporting low-pay labour. Now businesses in agriculture, construction, hospitality, and food-processing will have to pay more for labor.
What a boon all this is for job creation.
But maybe I haven’t thought it through. With the gutting of the bureaucracy, social security and health services are going to be tardy or even non-existent in some places. So desperate citizens might step up to take the place of undocumented workers, getting paid off the books with no health care, and of course paying no taxes.
Why import an economic underclass when you can grow one at home?
Clint says They dont even understand the word reciprocal.
Explain to me what is the “reciprocity” of this: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1i9MWHeoPw_nd4ffvwr5oPTFoQ3JC30v55iALMVM_WUU/edit#slide=id.p
Sig provides us with yet another example of cult tactics. He doesn’t understand the issue, so he searches the Internet for something he believes supports his cult. But, it only shows he doesn’t understand the issue!
In this case, he misses the point. The point is easy for responsible adults to understand. Trump wants all tariffs to be fair and equal, so other nations are not taking advantage of USA.
We can’t expect children to understand….
For those who think having the rich paying their fair share in individual income taxes will eliminate the deficit, think again. When Clinton balanced the budget the top 1% paid an effective tax rate of 28% Today they pay 25.5%. Total effective tax rate was 16.1% for all tax payers. Today its 15.3%. Increasing either rate would increase tax revenue by $70 billion for the 1%ers and $120 billion for all. The deficit is $2 trillion and growing by $200-300 billion annually.
In the 1950s, when the top marginal rate was 91%, the top1% paid 20% of individual income taxes. Today they pay 40%.
Increasing taxes are needed, but taxes cannot solve the deficit problem alone because the growth rate of spending swamps the increase in tax revenues. Growing the tax base beyond the last few years would also help enormously. The most important thing though is that both sides need to get real, ditch the talking points and be honest with the American people. We have a huge problem that is greater than the US faced after WWII, when the debt exploded.
“Trump wants all tariffs to be fair and equal, so other nations are not taking advantage of USA”
Only if you are gullible enough to believe everything the Dear Leader says!
The evidence says otherwise.
Apparently Clint is gullible enough.
“For those who think having the rich paying their fair share in individual income taxes will eliminate the deficit”
Does anyone think that? That’s one of the things that could be done, and it could be done in lieu of these draconian tariffs.
Barry,
You could take all the wealth from all the country’s billionaires, and it would only pay the federal budget through about June for one year. Then what?
Hahaha. By choosing the billionaire category you managed to overlook the millionaire category, which is probably around 90 – 100 trillion dollars. Combining billionaires and trillionaires would be a total of around $100 trillion, or enough to run the government for 10 years, if no one else paid taxes, and the government took no other revenue.
But this proposal is as silly as your retort.
The debt is the fault of successive US governments, and Trump will punish the people for it. And the less wealthy you are, the more you will be punished by Trump’s fiscal policies. The rich won’t feel a thing.
And that’s what MAGA voted for! Years of economic hardship while the elites keep sipping cocktails after golf.
The point is that Trump thinks that any country that sells more goods to America than it buys must be ripping us off.
Which fails to consider that countries like Vietnam have cheap labor that can produce Nike products that we want to buy, but whose consumers can’t afford to buy our cars etc.
And this was how his absurd formula for ‘reciprocal’ tariff was calculated.
Barry,
The poor don’t shoulder the burden of paying down the debt. They don’t pay anything on the debt. They don’t pay taxes. As a matter of fact they get refundable credits like the Child Tax Credit, the Additional Child Rax Credit and the Earned Income Credit. They also get Head of Household filing status and American Opportunity Tax Credit which is also refundable. They get money back on taxes they never paid.
Thunderstorms in Arkansas and Missouri, snowstorm in North Texas.
Tornadoes cause heavy damage and will move southeast for two days.
The satelites sensors have been quietly recalibrated to match modelz
waming predictions
simple as that
You reckon Roy Spencer is unaware of this, or has he joined the conspiracy?
How would I know, you have to ask him
You don’t think he would be the first to let us know about this?
Let me be plainer. This is BS.
For him admitting this dataset is a fake fraud would be a confession that he completely wasted his whole life career
Quite unlikely he would do that
to be plainer you don’t know squat how thigs work
Not at all. Your post indicates that this manipulation is recent. Roy Spencer’s career is not jeopardised by this. He’d be the first to point it out.
Tim reckons he’s not expert enough to know. Roy Spencer and John Christy had a hand in getting the sensors installed on the satellites. So no doubt you got your information from someone who is even more expert than these guys.
Who came forward with this BS update, Eben? Which expert was it?
I am going to make a wild guess that Dr. Spencer is a subject matter expert (SME) on satellite calibration standards and methods, and you know almost nothing. Just a guess.
Dachshund
” The satelites sensors have been quietly recalibrated to match modelz
waming predictions
simple as that ”
Why don’t you give barry a scientific proof of what you claim?
You behave here exactly like do the lunar spin deniers on this blog – or like Robertson claiming that no one gave ever a proof for the existence of the measles virus.
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The most recent low anomaly wrt 1991-2020 just before the 1998 El Nino was
1997 4 -0.45
The succeeding peak anomaly was
1998 2 +1.15
Difference 1997-98: +1.60 increase in 10 months
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The most recent low anomaly before the newest peak was
2023 1 -0.42
The succeeding peak anomaly was
2024 3 +1.24
Difference 2023-24: +1.66 increase in 14 months
Thus, the sudden increase in 1997-98 was even more pronounced than the sudden increase in 202324 (0.16 C/month compared to 0.12 C/month).
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Were the ‘satelites sensors quietly recalibrated to match modelz
waming predictions’ in 1997-98 too?
Really?
Yes, the temperature in this data set rises in three distinct very defined steps, you know it happened, what you are missing is that nature does not do that
“nature does not do that”
Roy Spencer is not convinced.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/11/the-magical-mystery-climate-index-luis-salas-nails-it/
It is the nature of time series of random (ish) data with an underlying trend will look like it has occasional ‘steps’, just because there will be occasional high anomalies and later on a low one.
None of the ‘steps’ in the UAH time series are remotely statistically significant, and they are bounded by el Ninos and la Ninas, which explain the so-called plateaus.
I think there’s way too much focus on the short term ‘noise’ of the graph in these comments. The real signal is rhe underlying, relentless warming long term. See the 10-year and 30-year moving averages over at https://datagraver.com/climate-data-set-uah/
That’s the real takeaway from the UAH data.
I am not sold on showing these results relative to the 30 year average. For one, the satellite record starts during peak anthropogenic SO2 emissions in the late 70s, and Pinatubo erupted in 1991. If you are going to use a 30 year comparison, how about updating each new month relative to the most recent 30 years? Let’s start looking at these trends relative to clean air policies and market forces that resulted in massive SO2 reductions.
I am not sold on showing these results relative to the 30 year average. For one, the satellite record starts during peak anthropogenic SO2 emissions in the late 70s, and Pinatubo erupted in 1991. If you are going to use a 30 year comparison, how about updating each new month relative to the most recent 30 years? Let’s start looking at these trends relative to clean air policies and market forces that resulted in massive SO2 reductions.
I would prefer absolute results. The 20th Century witnessed far too much SO2 flux, which these 30 year anomalies are unable to capture. Post WW2 SO2 flux is an ignored or patronized massive bias by the climate crowd. It didn’t “mask” CO2, it was the story. CO2 is negligible.
All the choice of a 30-year period does is change the vertical scale. The trend remains unchanged. If I changed to the most recent 30 years people would claim I’m obscuring the true size of recent anomalies… and in a way, that’s true anyway if compared to (for example) 1901-1930. -Roy
The S&P 500 lost $6.6 TRILLION on Thursday and Friday alone, the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record. That’s your retirement, college saving, medical funds, investment capital.
Trump is currently on social media, between holes on the golf course apparently, literally begging the Fed to cut interest rates in a desperate bid to slow the damage.
We’re looking square at inflation, stalling growth, unemployment, a weakening dollar, and a recession is nearly inevitable at this point. Even Trump’s own TikTok deal stalled.
Are we great yet or what?
A reminder that most Americans (68.41%) did not vote for this:
Voted For Trump= 31.59%
Voted For Harris= 30.65%
Voted For Third Party= 2.66%
Did Not Vote= 35.10%
Wow looks like no disagreement with: https://www.drroyspencer.com/2025/04/uah-v6-1-global-temperature-update-for-march-2025-0-58-deg-c/#comment-1701804
SOLAR MINIMUM UPDATE
Wow, looks like no disagreement with:
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2025/04/uah-v6-1-global-temperature-update-for-march-2025-0-58-deg-c/#comment-1701850
Besides, cheers from Mobile, Alabama:
https://bsky.app/profile/dadman03.bsky.social/post/3lm3q22ulgc2n
I certainly can agree that Mark Cuban has a history of making such predictions and have no reason at all to not believe it.
It is true that slashing spending reduces economic activity and depending on how that affects the employment rate it could have a negative effect on Alabama’s economy.
I think though that there is a lot of truth to the maxim that it takes short term pain to achieve long term gain and that kind of boils down to fat vs sinew. . .or in the world of economics politics vs education with politics being the fat and education being the sinew.
I didn’t see any comment from Cuban on that issue. But what I have been hearing from the cabinet isn’t closing offices in small towns it was closing huge offices in Washington DC and increasing operations where people need it, like closing the Department of Education and giving what DC does to the states. then it is the state that must decide if they want to operate like Washington DC
or farm it out to the towns and cities.
Some states may prosper from that and others suffer but I didn’t see any evidence being presented as to why specific states would suffer.
Perhaps all Cuban is trying to do is get his political party thinking more about how to help the people who need the most help by something other than destructive practices like racism, DEI, identity politics, and victim ideology and start figuring out how to better help those in the red rural states which also explains what decided the last election.
after all going by population density as a proxy for rural/urban and looking at the top 25 vs bottom 25 states
Harris won 64% of the urban states and only 16% of the rural states. More focus by the democrats on the needs of the rural population would be a good thing.
Gill’s go-to guy in all things tariffs must be the same as TS:
https://crooksandliars.com/2025/04/legend-ron-vara
Obvious!
Willard thinks Trump gets his ideas like Willard gets his.
Interesting update! Always good to see the latest temperature data and read the comments. Makes you think about what’s coming next with the climate.
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Permabull Tom Lee apologizes and admits he was wrong.
Waiting for MAGA cultists here to explain to the rest of us why mass tariffs without any plan, infrastructure, subsidies or preparation to create the labor backed products we’re going to need to weather this tariffs storm is good.
Trump is doing the part you do last FIRST. That illusory plan he dreamed up has no legs to stand on because he’s actively hurting the means of starting a business in the first place.
The view from Australia.
The US had a $17 billion trade surplus with Australia in 2024.
The US has had a consistent trade surplus with Australia since at least 1985. It usually makes more than twice as much exporting to Australia than Australia makes exporting to the US every year.
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c6021.html
The Trump administration talks about “reciprocal” tariffs under the rubric of unfair trade deficits.
We’re scratching our heads about the 10% tariff placed on all Australian goods when the US makes more than double in exports to us than we do in exports to them.
The administration has complained about Australian restrictions on US beef. Here is the breakdown of facts. See if a Trump supporter can explain the validity of the US position.
Australia imposes a 0% tariff on US beef from cattle born and raised in the US. There is also no limit on how much can be imported. Our own beef market more than covers the entire population, so we don’t import much because we don’t need to. Still we import US beef.
The US likewise has a 0% tariff on imported Aussie beef. But there is an upper limit to the quote, at which point a 26% tariff kicks in.
So the tariff regime favours the US.
Australia has for decades had a high biosecurity regime. The local ecology is vulnerable to imported pests and plant species that kill off native biota. We also have strict policies on organic imports that could carry a risk of disease.
Australia bans beef that is processed in the US, but comes from cattle outside the US, owing to mad cow disease resurgence in the early 2000s. We initially banned all beef from the US, but relaxed the ban as we perceived restored safety in the US home-grown beef market. Beef is one of our primary exports, and we do not want any risk of MCD getting into Australia.
Australia supports US home-grown beef!
Even if we relaxed the ban on non-US beef exported from the US, this would not be any kind of windfall for the US. We just don’t have much need for foreign beef, though we import some.
Why, with a $17 billion dollar trade surplus, is the US punishing one of its best allies, with whom it has an advantageous trade relationship?
This looks to us like nothing more than a shakedown of a friend. There’s no justification for it.
There is no rhyme or reason. Trump 2.0 is the proverbial bull in a China shop, but he can’t escape the moral dictum “you break it, you own it.” By destroying the GOP and the economy at the same time he’s become the Second Coming of Herbert Hoover.
Ark, you found another link you can’t understand. That’s SOP for you cult kids.
Tom made a prediction that turned out wrong. Then, he admitted his mistake. That’s what responsible adults do. That’s how you learn.
And that’s why you cult kids can’t learn. You can’t face reality.
Hey Donald, if you want reciprocal tariffs, could you remove the 26% quota tariff on Aussie beef, please, as we have no tariffs or quota limits on US-grown beef?
Barry,
So, how can an Australian farmer raise a beef cattle, ship it to the US and sell it cheaper than an American farmer?
Or vice versa. So enforcing it makes no sense.
You can look this up, stephen. I did.
We have high quality grass-fed beef with low fat content, and depending on the cut, can be the same price as US beef or cheaper, even after shipping.
I think most Americans prefer high-fat beef for steaks, but lean beef is better for burgers, so Australian beef is bought and combined with US beef to produce mince/ground beef. There is also a market among health-conscience types for low-fat steaks, which we produce in abundance. Our standards are pretty strict, our produce is often labeled “organic” (yes, I know how daft that sounds – but it refers to the conditions for cattle and processing) by the local importers or retailers.
Economy of scale, and the advantageous exchange rate for the US make Australian beef viable. We are the third largest exporter in the world, and have geared our beef industry towards exports, trimming costs through efficiency and scale.
However, the US puts a cap on how much can be imported before a 26% tariff gets slapped on. We have no such limits for US-grown beef.
So, can we have reciprocal tariffs and lose the 26% after cap, please? Then the US and Australia would have an equal tariff regime, instead of it favouring the US.
And the US would still make twice as much as we do from our trade arrangements.
To be honest: Even though it’s a shame for all snow-loving holidaymakers (for example, more and more French ski resorts had to close years ago already), my wife and I are quite happy about the sharp decline in snow cover that we have been experiencing for decades in our local corner (northeast Germoney).
The last snowy winter deserving this name was here in… 2010!
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I thought it’s time again to have a look at Rutger’s weekly snow cover data for the Northern Hemisphere.
The top 10 of the sorted weekly data looks nice:
1978 6 53.92 (Mkm^2)
2010 7 52.96
2008 4 52.41
1978 7 52.32
1979 2 51.85
1972 6 51.66
1985 2 51.57
2008 5 51.24
1972 5 51.17
2008 3 50.83
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But… this can’t hide the reality shown below.
1. Yearly means of absolute data
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ABBiug5c5lQ-rgL7Ijd8KjiTcNfGx9rR/view
2. Anomaly-based data (wrt 1991-2020)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14s2WJQ1bzMdsP-N_3u9o0c0guGdX3WIk/view
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Global cooling? Really?
Hmmmh.
BREAKING NEWS
At this hour major US stock market futures are up. Most of the radical left-wing liberal media is predicting doom and gloom. These two are an exception:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/here-every-country-working-trade-deals-us
As they say in the news business, this is a “developing story”. Stay tuned. What will people say if negotiation was the correct strategy, and Trump actually got it right this time? Sadly, what about all of those panic sellers who sold low? Will they get back into the market? There is a lot of cash “on the sidelines”.
Fox News, famous radical left-wing liberal media outlet.
Huh? As of right now Dow Jones is still $6 trillion down on what it was at the beginning of April, and the S&E 500 is still at the bottom of its sharpest fall since the COVID pandemic.
Let’s hope the shakedown works better for these alleged 50 countries than it did for Ukraine.
That did not end well. Markets started way up and then went way down. This is the problem with someone who has tremendous power, thinks he knows everything, will not listen to people, and can never admit to being wrong. Fasten your sea belts, it is going to be a bumpy ride. This is why everyone, regardless of employments status should have cash reserves.
Nice to see some recognition of reality by Tim.
It’s like so many movies with an evil nut-job with power threatens humanity.
Without a James Bond, we only hope that Congress will get its sh*t together, in response to building public outrage, and take back its Constitutional powers to undo the damage.
barry…”The view from Australia”.
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Barry, does Australia have the cojones to stand up to him? The UK has already folded, deserting Canada, and they have a Labour government which is allegedly Left Wing.
Sounds like the EU wants to negotiate, which is dumb. Why would anyone negotiate with a dishonest person who started a trade war under the guise of an emergency?
His tariffs are illegal because there is no emergency facing the US. It is the job of Congress to deal with tariffs. He needs to be impeached for disgracing the US Constitution. If he is not, then we will see what Republicans are all about.
US has the largest economy in the world and a lot of other kinds of clout, such as intelligence, military, and a bunch of other stuff That’s what makes them the superpower, and that’s what gives them enormous leverage. And that’s another reason why this is a shakedown. Dunno how we “stand up” to that, but that is definitely what the guy who was our Prime Minister during Trump’s first term recommends. Our current stance is not to retaliate, to spare local producers and companies and avoid escalating the trade war.
We will have to seriously contemplate doing more trade with China and less with the US. Trump’s tariffs are good for China’s trade partnerships with other countries. I wish we didn’t do this, but I can understand it.
If the rest of the world looks elsewhere, this could be another economic blow to the US. And maybe that’s what they need to feel as a result of spitting on allies.
Spitting on allies? You are such a goober. The only reason Australia exists right now is because of us. We have let our “allies” spit on us for decades. No more. America First.
Gordo,
His tariffs are illegal? Are your tariffs illegal?
Gordo,
His tariffs are illegal? Are your tariffs illegal?
Who got the power of the purse, Troglodyte?
stephen,
What has Australia done to earn universal tariffs? We’ve been one of the US’s staunchest allies since WWII. We share intelligence, we train together, we have fought alongside the US in nearly every major conflict since and including WWII, including, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and against ISIS in various places.
The US makes twice as much from us as we do from you in our trade arrangement. Last year the US trade surplus with Australia was $17 billion.
Please explain to me why Australia deserves a universal 10% tariff on all our imports to the US.
I’m not particularly for having tariffs on Australia. However, the Australian government hasn’t been too kind to Trump the last few years. Also, why is Australian customs so nasty and impolite to Americans when they visit? And, why was Australian government so draconian during COVID? I think a lot of Americans wonder about Australia’s strong leftist bent now. And, I think Trump believes Australia might be used as a way around the tariffs by some countries with Australians happily obliging.
Stephen thinks if Trump is tariffing Australia for vague things other than trade, then that’s AOK with him.
Because his Dear Leader is infallible.
What, stephen? Because America doesn’t like the way we do things domestically??
This is nothing to do with “reciprocal” tariffs. If it did, we’d be getting credit from the US, perhaps by the US lifting its quota on Australian beef.
But really stephen, I’m just pointing out that there isn’t any legitimacy to the tariff regime on Australia. It’s pure bastardry – spitting in the eye of an ally for no good cause.
Gordon Robertson
Finally a post you make I agree with. I think stephen p anderson is deep in his artificial reality based mostly on false information. He reminds me of how some Muslims become radicalized and will believe anything from lying sources. No amonut of logic or reason can alter the mind of a fanatic.
False information? Australia was one of the worst to its citizens during COVID. They used fear-mongering to slap draconian restrictions on their citizens. If you didn’t agree they’d send you to jail in the name of “safety and security.” Isn’t that the message from the left? It is for your own good. What has happened to Australia? It is only slightly less left than China. I always thought Australia had more of an independent libertarian bent than most UK colonies. Nope. Tyrannical.
C’mon Stephen, dont be absurd. Their Covid policies are irrelevant to trade policy.
Since when do we feel the need to micromanage other countries health policies.
We have enough trouble managing our own!
What on Earth has any of that to do with tariffs?
bill hunter…”…it is clear that we recently had an astronomical event that resulted in about 5 extra days close to the sun vs further way from the sun over how much we had in 1980 as verified by the US Naval Observatory”.
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That’s interesting because the entire orbital plane rotates slowly as well. Milankovich cycles suggest this rotation and changes in axial tilt affect climates in the long term.
Also, the Earth is closest to the Sun in January when the Southern Hemisphere receives most sunlight. It farthest from the Sun in July, when the Northern Hemisphere receives most of the sunlight. Since the Southern Hemisphere is mostly ocean, the heat in January gets redistributed.
That complexity and variability exceeds anything plugged into climate models.
The Little Ice Age suggests shorter terms climate change can occur naturally and the warming we experience today is mainly from a rewarming from the LIA.
Stumbled upon this comment section while looking for some climate data. Apologies to the rest of the world for the absolute idiocy coming out of the White House and the Trump cult in this forum. At some point in my life I would’ve staunchly defended against the American stereotype painting us all as a bunch of ignorant buffoons, but that ship sailed 5 years ago when we allowed a manipulative criminal, who nearly overthrew the govt. back into the public sphere We’re dealing with some truly wretched disinformation campaigns, constitutional crises, and sheer ineptitude over here.
I was out riding my horse and shooting my guns all morning so maybe I missed it, but how’s the big Wall Street Stock Market rally going? Has Trump been vindicated yet?
Hello?
Sell Everything ! ! !
Don’t worry though, those tacky golden Trump Sneakers you invested in are holding their value like a Cybertruck in a car wash.
Trump is taking a huge victory lap and the radical left-wing liberal media is in a tailspin. Are there any other questions?
‘Victory lap’?
Which news channel suggested that?
90 days? Now businesses have to put off hiring or expansion decisions for another 90 days.
I hope the TDS patients sold everything in the short lived low dip
Victory lap??
He has backed down after throwing the markets into turmoil, and they’ve bounced back as a result of the backdown.
So we’ll see how things go in another 90 days.
This is feckless economic management. No surprise, though. They don’t know what they’re doing, and Trump enjoys causing chaos. What a narcissist he is.
“Yeah, Trump was, like, I just saved the economy from me. Youre welcome'”
Jimmy Fallon pegged it.
I predict temperatures continue to rise.
https://www.science.org/content/article/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming
Good one Darwin! It’s a little late for April 1, but your find fits in well with Dr. Spencer]’s funny post about chemtrails, just before the First.
A perfect quote from the article: “These high-flying clouds are too thin to reflect much sunlight, but ice crystals inside them can trap heat.”
I can guarantee not one of the cult kids can identify the error in that quote.
The fun never ends,,,,
Weird that Clint had been touting the warming effects of high flying water for the last couple of years, but now thinks it’s a joke!
Child Nate does not understand the difference between water vapor and ice crystals.
darwin…only a raving ijit could make a connection between the tiny amount of gas produced by aircraft and global warming/climate change. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is mammoth compared to any CO2 in chemtrails and CO2 is such a trace gas it could not supply more heat in the atmosphere than its mass percent of 0.06%.
We need to get it that we humans produce only 4% of all CO2 in the atmosphere. Before we started producing atmospheric CO2 in large amounts, natural sources produced at least 0.03%, and at that time we produced a tiny fraction of that amount. Today, we produce more, but the total amount of CO2 has increased to only 0.04%.
The study quoted in the article is fraudulent and done on an unvalidated model. Clearly, the model was programmed by alarmist fraudsters.
Yes its the ellipticity of the orbit that causes earth to receive a good deal more sunlight in austral summer (our winter), at perihelion. but most of that sunlight goes into the ocean due to the southern oceans being far larger than the northern oceans.
The absolute barstadry of Trump’s tariffs are glaringly obvious in Lesotho.
The country has received a 50% tariff hike.
It has basically one major export to the US. Diamonds.
The average citizen earns 5$ a day,which will get you fed,maybe, but won’t get you enough for a very long time to buy, say, a laptop. In fact, very few people in Lesotho can afford US goods.
The population of Lesotho is 2.3 million, compared to the US’ 330 million.
Lesotho is being outrageously punished simply for being a very poor country with a small population.
That’s how the ridiculous formula works, based solely on the trade deficit. Not on tariffs at all. And certainly not with any notion of reciprocity.
Many countries could completely remove all tariffs and still the US would have a trade deficit, simply because the citizens of a country can’t match US citizens purchase power, either individually or as a population.
The rhetoric from the richest country in the world is BS to lull supporters into thinking all these countries deserve a spanking.
The US is not only the richest country in the world, but its economic development over the long term surpasses most other developed nations. It is the less developed nations that have grown faster in that timeframe.
These tariffs are patently unfair. The US has a case for various specific tariffs and other practises, but this blanket tariff and ludicrous ‘formula’ is just an international shakedown. Pure extortion and thuggery.
The treatment of Lesotho is barbaric. To kick an impoverished country in the teeth simply because they can’t afford to match US purchase power. It’s disgusting.
Yep, just bullying of a little guy for no good reason. It is not as if these small poor countries can suddenly become wealthy consumers of our expensive goods.
If you want to know if Trump’s efforts are working, the best indicator is the ongoing rage of the Left. The more fits the children throw, the more Teslas they ruin, the more protests they have, the more nonsense comments they make, the more Trump is winning.
The whole concept of TDS will shrivel up when his policies start to affect his supporters.
Clint, you can’t defend this. That’s why you attack. There is no economic justice here. There is no moral rationale. There is only ruthless self interest.
stephen understand this on some level, because that is the basis of his attempts at justifying this universal economic assault on every country on the panet.
But you understand nothing, hence your utterly vacuous remarks. You are like the elites living on purely inherited wealth, who, stuffed with complacency don’t bother to understand the events surrounding them.
You’re wrong again, barry. If you consider my bringing reality is an attack, that’s your problem not mine.
You don’t understand the issues. You have your beliefs, and you attack those that prove you wrong. Finding links to support false beliefs is easy. The Internet has plenty of false information. And clogging the blog with endless rambling just indicates you have NOTHING.
You can’t get much right, so you resort to insults and false accusations. You quickly call people “lying dog”. You can’t accept reality.
Burned any Teslas today?
barry
At least Clint R has exposed his mentality! He supports Trump because Trump annoys people. The more Trump annoys the better. Clint R is of that cloth. He has no science background and does not want to engage in rational discussion. He likes to annoy people. He gets pleasure from this. No intelligent or scientific convesation is possible with this poster. His only reason for posting is to try and annoy and upset other posters. It would be a darl place to want to be but that is the place Clint R sits in.
Once again Norman offers only insults and false accusations.
Like his cult, that’s all he’s got.
Seems accurate, Norman
You forget that Trump only annoys annoying people giving them back what they bring.
Megyn Kelly as you may recall called out Trump during the 2016 debates for some specific insults to ”women” and Trump brought the house down when he said ”only Rosie O’Donnell.
He is a lot like Kelly Reilly’s character in Yellowstone. Extremely confident and gives back exactly what he receives.
As the saying goes. . .it takes two to tango! The whole reason shaky kneed alarmist post in this forum is they are here to annoy.and as expected receive their own dose of being annoyed that obviously they are addicted to.
There is so much misinformation from barry. If the people cannot afford US goods, then removing the tariffs their government collects will help the people to afford things they want. It took about 2 minutes to find this:
https://apnews.com/article/lesotho-us-trump-tariffs-b337efa47290e889aa076cc9ede7bc9d
Textile manufacturing is one of Lesothos key industries, exporting some 75% of its output to the United States.
According to Trump, Lesotho charges a 99% tariff on U.S. goods, but the government said it doesnt know how the U.S. administration calculated that figure. Government officials did not say Thursday what Lesothos tariffs on U.S. goods are.
Tim S
Did you read the article you posted? No one knows how Trump came up with th 99% tariff on US goods. I could not find a source of any actual tariffs they impose on US goods.
Even if Lesotho removed all tariffs, there is no way possible, with a population of 2.3 million with an average wage of $5 a day, it could come close to matching what the US spends purchasing from Lesotho.
The tariff formula is a joke, because it is not based on tariffs at all, just on the trade deficit. Poor countries without a massive population have no hope of making up the balance. It’s grossly unfair.
And as has been pointed out, the tariffs even apply to countries with which the US has a long term trade surplus.
None of it makes sense, except if you perceive the administration as greedy idiots who are happy to extort for gain, crying poor me as a pretext.
Why do I have to explain everything to some of you. Here you go Norman, this is the one-minute search you could not accomplish:
https://www.rsl.org.ls/index.php/tariff-home
If you need help browsing their official web site, I can help with that also.
Tim S
I looked at your link and was browsing through some of their tariffs. I cannot see where the 99% comes from. Lots of things are Free. I saw some 20% and 40% on some items. Did not see any excess tariffs. Since the list is very extensive on items I would like to understand why you think this 99% is a valid number. Since you seem to support it as real the burden of proof is on you.
I looked up the textiles. Lots of Free items, saw mostly 15 or 20% on some items. Did not see anything close to 99%.
Since you are the expert at web searching maybe link to where you show 99% as a realistic number. I am thinking you only linked the web page but did zero research. I think if you make claims you should do some research.
Don’t bother looking at the tariffs to work out the 99%. It comes from an unrelated metric – the trade deficit.
Here’s how it goes.
“Tariff” = exports to country X minus imports to US from country X, divided by exports to country X
So for Lesotho that’s:
($236M – $7M)/$235M = 0.9703
= 97%
Dunno what figures the US gov used – I got those from an article – but that’s their formula.
There are no tariff values in this formula, just total exports and imports with a given country.
The US divides by 2 to arrive at a ‘reciprocal tariff.”
Which is pure BS.
If “reciprocal tariffs” were a real thing, the US would be dropping their own tariffs to all countries with which they have a trade surplus.
It’s a shakedown. Please call it what it is, and stop pretending there is any reciprocity WRT tariffs.
Some people here weirdly still believe the things that Trump says…
Hey Barry,
Does Australia produce anything besides beef and minerals?
Yes.
Why?
From Liberation Day to Pause Everything bar China Day (one week!), Trump believes that starting a global trade war and going golfing for four days paid off handsomely for the country.
Do we now have zero trade deficit? Have all the factories moved back to America and we’re making everything from Fords to Toaster Ovens from resources we mined right here in America with genuine American born American labor? Are unemployment and inflation zero? Are gas and groceries dirt cheap?
Or is he just going to crash the world economy every three months, and then pretend to save it, over and over, for the next four years?
Although, the tariffs still in place will cause severe damage:
1/ 125% on Chinese imports.
2/ 25% on steel, aluminum, autos, and non-USMCA goods from Can/Mex.
3/ 10% on nearly all other imports.
4/ 25% on all goods from countries that buy Venezuelan oil, which has been signed but has no set start date and could take effect at any time.
And Tariffs coming:
1/ On copper, lumber, semiconductor & pharma imports.
2/ And maybe on other countries, depending how the next 90 days go.
Trump Caved, simple as that. Countries were selling US Bonds last night.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/foxs-gasparino-argues-trump-didnt-outsmart-the-world-and-tariff-drop-was-forced-by-bond-selloff-those-markets-were-imploding-last-night/
Anyone who buys this was part of the master plan or ‘flexibility’ is sorely deluded. The administration has sent mixed messages – it’s to reshore manufacturing – it’s to renegotiate trade arrangements – it’s to pay down debt… These things are mutually exclusive.
They don’t know what they are doing and are now putting out fires.
That’s what this is.
We’ll see if they wise up in 90 days. My prediction is they will have a completely new ‘plan’ then, not the same insanity they just abandoned.
So Trump needs to listen to a leftist like you? Planners plan.
You were unhappy Trump imposed a tariff. Now you’re unhappy Trump lifted the tariff. Planners plan.
Nate, Barry, Norman and Ark. The four Muskaplanners. Planners plan.
“Now you’re unhappy Trump lifted the tariff.”
No, I’m happy he lifted the ill-named “reciprocal tariffs,” which were just extortion.
Still not happy with the universal 10% tariff, when the US already makes twice what we do in our trade arrangements. It’s still extortion.
I would welcome negotiation. But Trump isn’t negotiating. He just bragged about nations calling him up to kiss his ass and plead for a better deal. Like we’re hostages.
And you like this. Like the kids who hang off a bully in the playground.
“Planners plan.”
Boy are you deluded. Trump is chaos. There’s no plan. Whenever he upends expectations hs supporters come up with brand new, usually contradictory rationales.
Still reckon the tariffs are to pay down the debt? Because Trump just pulled back from that simple objective.
stephen p Anderson.
Does the 10 percent rate still apply to the penguins of the Heard and McDonald islands?
https://youtu.be/tBYwXpmxDvY
Ark tries again, and barry jumps in to support the nonsense. The next tag-team m’ght be gordon and Norman. Then comes Bindi and Nate. It doesn’t matter which team, they’re basically all the same — beliefs over reality.
None of them understands the issues. None of them can learn. They can’t even answer simple questions like:
1. Can CO2’s 15μ photons raise Earth’s average surface temperature?
2. Does the ball-on-a-string have axial rotation?
3. What is the end result of “reciprocal tariffs”?
They can’t correctly answer the questions because they can’t face reality. They just make up crap to fit their false beliefs. They won’t admit they have a Leftist agenda that involves perverting reality.
Clint,
lay out the tariff formula that the Trump administration was about to apply (90 days abeyance), and explain how it works, and how it reciprocates real tariffs in the countries the formula is applied to.
I did that just upthread.
I think you’re full of it. You have no idea how the tariff formula works, much less how it produces tariffs that reciprocate the tariffs placed on US goods in each country.
And it’s obvious you know nothing about it, because you never address it. You just make noises about leftists, as if that constitutes a cogent argument, while pretending you know better.
Your mendaciousness is as transparent as it is pathetic.
I noticed you avoided dealing with the simple questions, barry. You can’t face reality. I don’t waste time with children that call me a “lying dog”, only because they hate reality.
The answers are:
Yes
Yes
Recession or even a Depression
“I noticed you avoided dealing with…”
I notice you are unable to describe how the tariffs are reciprocal and thus have changed the subject.
No one is fooled by your posturing, Clint. You’re an empty vessel.
bob gets it 100% wrong, and barry avoids the questions.
What a team!
Clint,
Question 1: I don’t know. Until someone can tell me and show me their evidence for what the Earth’s emissivity is then no. Also, does CO2 abs.orb 33 percent of the Earth’s IR like IPCC claims? Not according to the Planck function. It would be closer to about 12 percent. So, there are a lot of holes in GHE theory but Nate already knows that. He points them out all the time.
Stephen, the correct answer is “NO”. CO2’s 15μ photons can not raise Earth’s average surface temperature.
Temperature is based on the kinetic energy of molecules. In order to raise temperature with photons, the absorbed photons must raise the average kinetic energy of the surface. 15μ photons have lower frequency than the average of a 288K surface. So, even if absorbed, they would not raise the average kinetic energy.
And in nature, unlike with a laser, photons do not simply add. That’s why you can’t boil water with the photons from ice, no matter how much ice you have.
The belief that 15μ photons can raise Earth’s temperature is one of the many flaws in the CO2 nonsense. But the Left does not accept reality.
“In order to raise temperature with photons, the absorbed photons must raise the average kinetic energy of the surface. 15μ photons have lower frequency than the average of a 288K surface. So, even if absorbed, they would not raise the average kinetic energy”
Microwave oven photons have much much lower frequency (energy) than the molecules of room temperature water. So even if abs.orbed by water, they would not raise the average kinetic energy of water, according to Clint-physics!
Cuz Clint-physics is just plain stoopid.
Here comes the 10 times debunked Microwave oven argument
The food does not absorg photons
Once a high-frequency electrical field is applied to these water molecules, they rotate and vibrate in response to the reversal of the electrical field and generate heat by friction with each other.
Uh…that is a classical description of it, but ultimately abs.orption is a quantum process–involving photons.
And now quantobabble to top it off
No fizzix for you
So sez our local Fizzux authority, Eben.
Clint,
Here are your mistakes.
“15μ photons have lower frequency than the average of a 288K surface. So, even if captured, they would not raise the average kinetic energy.”
The surface does not have an average frequency, and even if it did some of it would be lower than the frequency of a 15u photon even if that did matter, it does not.
The photon gets captured, that means its energy is converted from electromagnetic energy to something else, so actually the frequency does not matter.
Where did you study physics?
Did they require you to buy a textbook?
Did you buy it, then sell it for crack with the plastic wrap still on it?
Barry
You have some good thoughtful posts but Clint R will never answer your request. He is not here to debate or enlighten. He is only here to annoy other posters. Stephen p anderson is different. He is a fanatic programmed by right-wing media liars who feed him garbage and he thinks it is healty food. I think he comes here just to attack what he believes are left-wing loons. He is so far gone in his fanatic beliefs you can’t have a rational adult conversation with him either. I am hopin Tim S is the thoughtful one of thr Trump supporters. Clint R might not even like Trump but he loves to annoy so it really does not matter to him.
Norman, the reason you always attack me is because I bring reality to you, and you can’t stand reality.
Clint R
Reality I can stand just fine. Your lack of thoughtful intelligent thought and desire to annoy posters are my issue with you.
That’s completely WRONG, Norman. You can’t stand reality when it conflicts with your cult beliefs. That’s why you have to hurl insults and false accusations at those that bring reality to you.
Clint R
Nope you are wrong, as you are with most things you post.
Norman, you’re just grasping at straws. You need a reality check:
Is the ball-on-a-string rotating about its COM axis?
Clint R
I have spent enough time discussing this with you. The Moon is tidal locked and rrotates once on its axis as do other moon’s in the solar system. I have linked you to numerous sites which explain how tidal locking works and why tidal locking occurs. Currenly the Earth’s rotation is slowing down because of tidal forces. Intelligent scientists understand this. You can peddle your dumb ideas on a blog but it won’t change reality. I think you need a reality check to figure out why you are so ignorant.
I never mentioned Moon, Norman. The question was about a ball-on-a-string.
You can’t face reality. You evade the question as you hurl insults and false accusations.
Thanks for proving me right, again.
Clint R
You have denied tidal torque. Here are the equations that explain it in quite detail. I am sure you are not intelligent enough to understand any of it. The Moon rotates one rotation per orbit.
https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/celestial/Celestial/node54.html
If you had a bit of intelligence maybe you could look at the link, read through it and try to understand this article.
Norman, the question was about a ball-on-a-string, not Moon.
Your childish distractions and links to things you can’t understand don’t help you.
You can’t face reality.
Clint R
So basically you are saying you want to stay ignorant? I thought so, it is much easier to not learn, learning takes some type of effort. I knew you would not understand the link at all since you have no science background. Though other posters can’t say I have not tried to inform you.
I have already told you that the ball on a string is just a rotation around a central point. You cannot understand this. Reality is not your strong point nor is science. Other than annoying fellow posters you never contribute any value. I guess if you think calling posters cult members and children numerous times is valuable than you are one sad sack of a human. I have not seen any useful science points from you. Nate and barry both link to articles to support their points. It shows they both have some type of research background. You have none.
Norman, the simple question was Is the ball-on-a-string rotating about its COM axis?
You can’t answer it because you can’t face reality.
Keep proving me right.
I can take it.
Like most partisans, your biggest mistake and misunderstanding is the need to label and stereotype everyone into one camp or the other. If you got out more, and talked to people, you would find that most people are not highly partisan and they have many different views on a variety of subjects. Mostly, being partisan involves narrow mindedness. It is a big world out there with lots of “diversity”.
Like the Democrats and independents who voted for and elected Trump in the tight so-called swing states, I view Trump as the lesser of two evils. Being preferred over Kamala Harris, who is entirely incompetent is not a huge accomplishment.
After the latest Trump driven world wide chaos, and likely damage to the economy, its hard to understand how any administration could be more incompetent then our current one.
We have heard lots of cries that we are buried in Debt to justify the chainsaw cuts of DOGE, but then we get the Trump Congress passing a budget that would ADD $6T more to the Debt over 10 y beyond what we are currently adding.
“The new Congressional Budget Office analysis predicts that the GOP tax plans would increase the federal deficit by $6 trillion over a decade.”
How much is our federal budget going to increase over the next decade as it now stands?
You tell me.
The point is if we are drowning in Debt, why are they cutting taxes?
In fact several R congressmen were planning to vote against the budget because its of its Debt increase, but Trump put the squeeze on them.
Obviously he is more concerned about his billionaire buddies taxes than the fact that we are drowning in Debt!
This will be taught in history classes. Future students will laugh at this administration…
Yesterday Trump signed an Executive Order titled MAINTAINING ACCEPTABLE WATER PRESSURE IN SHOWERHEADS.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/maintaining-acceptable-water-pressure-in-showerheads/
Just as the Founding Fathers intended: https://youtu.be/fXfv3JbTAOA
Good, those idiotic regulations need to be rescinded.
Permabull Tom Lee saysFund managers quietly fear Trump doesn’t have a tariff plan and that he ‘might be insane.’
https://newrepublic.com/post/193805/donald-trump-investors-freak-out-economic-policies
Trump: “I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE, and a substantially lowered Reciprocal Tariff during this period, of 10%, also effective immediately”
The word “reciprocal” is once again revealed to be meaningless in Don’s mouth.
Yes, Trump is lying about his tariffs being reciprocal or worse yet, he doesn’t know how tariffs work.
I am quietly fearful that fund managers might be insane.
Hey, if leftism is so great why is Alberta trying to secede from Canada?
Why is Canada (all of it) opposing the USA?
That is not the facts. You should not get your news from CBC.
Your alternative news source would be what?
All of Canada? No. I sat beside a guy from Alberta at the last NRA convention. We talked about Canadian politics for three hours while we waited to hear Trump. All of Canada doesn’t oppose Trump or the US. He said he wished Trump could be Canada’s President. He said the Quebec faction was running Canada unfortunately like the NY, Ill, Ca faction often runs the US. I believe now it is more about successfully cheating with those factions. Leftists will lie, cheat and steal to win. Conservatives won’t. So, I don’t believe most of Canada is against Trump.
The last NRA convention was in May 2024. Trump didn’t have the “Annex Canada” brain fart ’till December 2024. Things have changed!
SOLAR MINIMUM UPDATE
The Legislature eliminated parole for nearly everyone imprisoned for crimes committed after Aug. 1, making Louisiana the 17th state in a half-century to abolish parole altogether and the first in 24 years to do so. For the vast majority of prisoners who were already behind bars, like Alexander, another law put an algorithm in charge of determining whether they have a shot at early release; only prisoners rated low risk qualify for parole.
That decision makes Louisiana the only state to use risk scores to automatically rule out large portions of a prison population from being considered for parole, according to seven national criminal justice experts.
https://www.propublica.org/article/tiger-algorithm-louisiana-parole-calvin-alexander
Progress!
So the left lies. It continually lies. Didn’t the left say the border laws are broken and we need new laws to close the border? That was an absolute lie. As soon as Trump is elected the border is closed. We just needed a chief law enforcement officer who would enforce our laws. Biden said we needed a comprehensive immigration law. Leftist propaganda and lies. My point is the leftist lies about anything Trump does is just that, lies.
I think the Trump tariff plan should be simple. We match the tariff on other countries’ tariffs on us.
Tariffs are a fiction, paid for by USA citizens.
“I think the Trump tariff plan should be simple. We match the tariff on other countries tariffs on us.”
Sounds reasonable. But the Trump admin is not doing any thing like that. Not at any time.
Hey President Trump, would you please lower the tariff on Australia? Barry’s coochie hurts.
You understand my point right? I’m asking the US to apply the standard they established on the new tariffs. Reciprocal tariffs means that the US should remove tariffs on australian imports to reduce our trade deficit with the US. This is based purely on US methodology.
Or are you so stupid you haven’t understood that this is the point, and nothing to do with whining? I’m calling out US hypocrisy.
Stephen, does America need allies in the world?
For example, after 911, we did. And on many other occasions.
A lot of the people of the UK, Australia, Canada, etc. are our friends and allies. However, I would not say the governments and who the people elect are. Many in Canada are not our allies. Many in Australia are not our allies, or the UK. They don’t understand, our Constitution or respect it.
I can get straight answers from allies. But here if I ask pointy questions people slide right past them.
C’mon stephen. I’ve applied the Trump tariff formula and worked out that for Australia there should be a 26% tariff on US goods to amend our significant trade deficit with the US. The formula is based on deficit.
Neither you nor Clint willeven refer to the formula, let alone answer a question about it.
So do you, like me, think the formula is daft? Or do you think it is solid?
If solid, do you agree the US should lower tariffs to Australian goods per their own formula?
Why are you refusing to talk about the Trump administration’s tariff formula?
stephen….would be nice if you could receive this objectively rather than an attack on you, your country, and your views. I still have positive feelings about folk south of our border and regard many as allies. Folk from Washington State have reached out to us in support and I really appreciate that.
I agree and disagree with your comments. I have found in my life that no such as a true left winger or right winger exists. Most people I have meet may lean more left or right but they tend to have both right and left in them.
In other words, I have met right wingers who were compassionate people, a trait normally associated with the Left. Leftists tend to be humanitarians and are more interested in human values than profits or wealth. However, there are right wingers who have humanitarian ideals.
I regard Trump as a sociopath. He lacks any semblance of conscience, compassion, empathy or humanitarianism. If anyone contradicts him, even nicely, he turns on them with wrath and vengeance.
Trump is no good for the US as a whole. he will destroy any values you Yanks regard as sacred. Right Wingers like Cruz of Texas have clued into Trump, he claimed the midterms will be a bloodbath against Republicans unless Trump’s policies are opposed. He is also concerned with the effect Trump’s policies will have on Texans. There are other Republicans lending to his concern and the Republicans have only a few seats in Congress to win votes.
The question is this: how dearly do Yanks value their Constitution and the judiciary who evaluates and defends it? How dearly does the US value democracy FOR ALL.
Trump is not matching tariffs with Canada, we already had an agreement on tariffs going back to 2018. If he thought we were fleecing the US, why did he sign that agreement? He has picked on Canada because in his dementia he thinks we secretly want to join the US. He fails to grasp that Canadians enjoy their lives as Canadians and have no interest in the values you guys in the US hold dear.
Trump is scoffing at your own Constitution. He is insulting the judiciary who disagree with him and the tariffs he has imposed are illegal according to you Constitution. He has used emergency measures illegally to impose those tariffs as if he is a king. For that alone, he should be impeached.
Do the Republicans have the cojones to do that?
Poor gordon suffers from both Canadian mad-cow disease and TDS.
We can’t expect him to make any sense….
ClintR has never made sense,
.
The signal to noise ratio in his posts is approaching 0.
Gordo,
Give me a specific on how Trump is scoffing at the Constitution.
He’s taking biomedical research funding granted by Congress and signed into Law, away from Ivy League universities for having the temerity to want to exercise their First Amendment rights.
He is unilaterally dismantling programs like USAID and others, that were created by Congress and signed into Law.
Etc. Etc.
Not unconstitutional, Nate. You might try pointing out where in the Constitution that is unconstitutional.
Oh and he fired 17 IG s without giving rthe notice or rationale to Congress, as required by Law.
And these are people who work for us to find Government abuses, fraud and waste.
Congress passes the laws and provides the $.
I think you already know about the First Amendment.
1. Deporting people without due process.
5th Amendment: “No person shall… be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”
SCOTUS has many times affirmed this applies to all people within the US, not just citizens.
2. Executive order to deprive birthright citizenship
Amendment 14:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
3. Trump administration banned journalists from the Whitehouse, including the Associated Press (for failing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America).
Contravenes 1st Amendment rights to free speech. Abridgement of free speech is activated under that law only when the government abridges. So Trump administration is guilty of it.
4. Also 1st Amendment – Trump administration is detaining and possibly deporting university students for supporting causes they don’t agree with – like supporting the political wing of Hamas, or calling the Israel attacks on Gaza genocide.
5. In revoking security clearances of legal firms who once employed attorneys who worked on cases against Trump, and denying them access to government buildings, Trump contravenes several parts of the constitution to do with freedom of speech, right to seek redress with government, access to due process.
6. The Trump administration has dismantled oversight of the executive and of federal agencies through congressional committees, thereby eroding the fundamental charge of balance of powers and checks and balances.
Every move they have made has been to remove obstacles to the executive doing as it wishes without interference from the other two co-equal branches of government.
I can go on if you wish. But surely just one of these is enough.
Oh and let’s not forget that he has given the powers of a Principal Officer to Elon Musk without Senate Approval.
Barry,
He can deport under the Aliens and Enemies Act. That is what he is doing. The press can have their free speech, but he doesn’t have to let them into the White House. University Students are here as our guests. They can free speech all they want. But they have no right to a visa. Let them free speech in their own countries. Oh wait, they can’t. Their countries will lock them up. Oh, by the way, judge agreed to the deportation of Khalil.
Also, the Commander in Chief has complete control over security clearances. No one has a right to a clearance. Also, naturalized citizens can lose their citizenship. It is not permanent. A natural citizen can too if they renounce their citizenship. It isn’t Executive Oversight. It is Congressional oversight. But, it works both ways. The Executive has some discretion over executing the laws especially with regard to our borders and who we let in.
stephen,
You are not arguing under the constitution,you are arguing under statutes. So, yes,these actions contravene the constitution.
Also, the statutes have be4en misapplied. Alien Enemies Act does not apply – and certainly not just because the executive claims it does – the constitution does not support executive fiat over what is and isn’t legal.
AEA only applies when the US is at war, or when it is in imminent danger of being invaded by a foreign government or country. The only 3 times this has been previously invoked is when congress has already formally declared war.
You fundamentally do not understand the constitution. It applies to all people within America’s borders, not just citizens. SCOTUS has ruled many times on this.
“Oh, by the way, judge agreed to the deportation of Khalil.”
That is not remotely true. The judge in 2011 agreed that there was some basis to the claim of gang membership, but ruled against deportation,specifically to el Salvador, because of the danger he faced if he went there – it was as credible that he was in danger from the very same gangs.
You are getting your info from partisan sources again.
Furthermore, SCOTUS rules that the gov must get the guy back to the US, and that any future people at threat of deportation need to be given notice by the government so they have a chance to defend themselves in court.
SCOTUS just ruled in favour of due process, per the constitution, for people in the US allegedly unlawfully.
So we’ll see if the Trump administration obeys the constitution from now on.
Just going to use the US tariff calculator to restore the balance with Australia.
It’s simple – trade deficit divided by imports, then divide by 2.
Australia’s trade deficit with the US is $17.9 billion (2024)
US imports to Australia were $34.6 billion
That gives us 17.9/34.6 = 0.517
divided by 2 = 0.258
Under the US formula we need to slap 26% tariffs on the US to have a reciprocal trade arrangement.
If these figures were reversed, that’s the tariff the US would have slapped on Australia.
stephen, Clint… Tim? Do you think the tariff formula is valid?
barry, you don’t understand any of this. You probably never heard the word “tariff” before Trump mentioned it. You don’t understand what Trump is doing, and you can’t learn. That’s why you can’t answer the simple question: “What is the end result of reciprocal tariffs?”
But keep on with your childish comments. We’re enjoying your TDS.
FWIW, Trump’s formula does not calculate reciprocal tariffs because the trade deficit with a given country is not determined by tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers alone. But that’s not all that’s wrong with this formula.
It also includes a technical error that quadruples the assumed tariff placed on the U.S. by another country. Correcting the error would reduce the tariff in your Australia example to 12.9% from 51.7%.
For details see this article cited by the White House: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20190536
Sorry, Clint? Do you think the tariff formula is valid? Why/why not?
Is t because you don’t understand it, or that you can’t defend it that you are not answering q
Clint? Is it because you don’t understand it, or that you can’t defend it that you are not answering questions about the tariff formula?
barry’s TDS is so severe he’s repeating himself, babbling incoherently.
I wouldn’t need to repeat myself if you answered the question.
But we don’t have to pretend that you have the slightest idea about any of this.
Barry
See what I mean about Clint R. No real reason for him to post except to try and annoy you. Even though Clint R is a arrogant insulting loudmouth, one can feel sorry for such a pathetic human who delights at annoying people.
Child Norman, you never finished your homework:
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2025/04/uah-v6-1-global-temperature-update-for-march-2025-0-58-deg-c/#comment-1702319
Finish your work, then you can go outside and play.
I know, but anyone else reading along gets a clear view of what he is when he constantly dodges straight questions and does his schtick.
barry, if you, Norman, Nate, and the rest of your cult dodge straight questions and are insulted by reality, it’s okay with me.
Yup Clint R, you are a sad person. Your sole pleasure in life is to annoy people. Sad, really is!
I don’t know Norman. Clint appears to be chipper most of the time. You on the other hand, very sad.
Yes lobbing insults makes him feel better about himself.
SOLAR MINIMUM UPDATE
Donald is seeking to end nearly all of the climate research conducted by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA), one of the countrys premier climate science agencies, according to an internal budget document seen by Science. The document indicates the White House is ready to ask Congress to eliminate NOAAs climate research centers and cut hundreds of federal and academic climate scientists who track and study human-driven global warming.
https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-seeks-end-climate-research-premier-u-s-climate-agency
Make the Democratic Republic of America Great Again!
Finally defunding of climate shaisters
Want some tarr and feathers with that ???
This coterie includes Roy Spencer and John Christie. Apparently they have been wasting taxpayer money?
They are essential for forecasts beyond two weeks. For the US, they are crucial because of the prediction of hurricane paths.
Willard, why not compare the UK met office with noaa? In the UK the Met office uses a lot of junk sites, or even made up ones to justify their point of view. If NOAA any better? If not then why fund it?
stephen,
Can you help me out? Does the currently proposed Republican budget, which Trump approves constitute the largest increase to the US debt from a single bill?
Just want to make sure I got that straight or not.
Barry,
Since Trump has no control over about 86% of the budget which is entitlements and defense spending, the only thing he can help control is the other 14%. The problem with Democrats is they did not want to control even that. That’s why it is all going to come crashing down but at least during the crash we will have an intelligent leader who will make the necessary decisions in charge. And, not some left wing nut job like Harris or Newsom.
stephen,
Did you have trouble understanding my question?
The Republican budget has shuttled between the house and the senate. As far as I can make out the current proposal, which Trump would be willing to sign off, would be the largest increase on federal debt of any previous bill.
Could you confirm if this is true or not, please? just want to be sure that I have the correctly, or not.
Of course, if my understanding is correct, my follow up would be to ask you what you think of this, when you have said it is vitally important the debt be reduced.
Already answered.
No, you ignored the question.
So I guess you agree that the proposed Republican budget is going to be the largest single addition to federal debt of any previous bill.
And I guess you don’t want to acknowledge that, considering your previous remarks on the importance of debt reduction.
The white House is right behind the bill.
“Since Trump has no control over about 86% of the budget which is entitlements and defense spending, the only thing he can help control is the other 14%.”
The President has no say about Defense spending? What have you been smoking Stephen?
And is the President being forced to cut taxes to further blow up the Debt?
Provide for the common defense is the one thing delineated in the Constitution. Where are you from Nate?
Are you weirdly trying to suggest the amount of Defense spending is specified in the Constitution?
Barry,
Will it beat the 10 trillion or so from the last round of Trump tax cuts?
Heavy snowfall in the northeastern United States.
https://i.ibb.co/ynNBYtQB/ventusky-rain-3h-20250412t1200-42n75w.jpg
Now we have the left continually fear mongering about Social Security benefits. Trump is going to take their benefits. Nature is. We need to cut entitlements by 40%. But we won’t. Trump won’t. But, nature will.
Meant to say Trump isn’t going to take their benefits but nature will.
How’s that Stephen?
Is he being forced to cut taxes and increase the Debt?
Nate,
So you think raising taxes is the answer? An aircraft carrier doesn’t turn on a dime.
Stephen, Either you actually are very concerned about drowning in Debt, or you just follow in lock-step with your Dear Leader regardless of the consequences.
Seems to be the latter.
Could stephen possibly referring to the culling of the herd when it is not being kept alive by government funding? Otherwise I can’t make out what he is saying.
Trump Wants to Be Impeached Again. It’s already in the cards thanks to his ill-founded trade war, no matter how that war plays out.
The Wall Street Journal, April 12, 2025.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/trump-wants-to-be-impeached-again-6f4ea931?st=pE1obU&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Ark is still confused about Trump’s tariffs. Not only does he not understand what Trump means by “reciprocal”, Ark doesn’t even understand the process of negotiation.
Some children can learn, but some have learning disabilities.
Trump does not understand ‘reciprocal’. Nothing in his ‘calculation’ relates to tariffs.
The question “Is the ball-on-a-string rotating about its COM axis?” it two steps removed from being an interesting scientific question.
First we need a definition of “rotating about its COM axis”. A simple, clear prescription for what different people might mean by “rotating about its COM axis”.
Even when that is resolved, there is still the bigger question of whether the proffered definition is useful for predicting the behavior of the universe.
It turns out that …
1) classical mechanics has a clear definition (yes, the ball is rotating about an axis through its COM; yes, the moon is rotating about an axis through its COM).
2) classical mechanics is spectacularly successful at predicting the motions of all manner of objects (including balls on strings AND moons).
Sorry Folkerts, but orbital motion is NOT “classical mechanics”. And even in classical mechanics, spinning is easily defined:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation#/media/File:Rotating_Sphere.gif
Adults know the ball is not rotating on its own axis (spinning) because if it were, the string would wrap around it. This has all been discussed many, many times, but you can’t learn.
So, you’re WRONG, as usual.
Funny that this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation#/media/File:Rotating_Sphere.gif
Is exactly what distant observers at rest and not rotating in the inertial frame see when they look at the Moon.
tim …”It turns out that
1) classical mechanics has a clear definition (yes, the ball is rotating about an axis through its COM; yes, the moon is rotating about an axis through its COM).
2) classical mechanics is spectacularly successful at predicting the motions of all manner of objects (including balls on strings AND moons)”.
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Long time, no see, Tim, where have you been hiding?
Classical mechanica covers the ball on a string problem quite easily. If we were examining the problem in an engineering tutorial, or even at home, the first thing we’d do is isolate the ball by cutting the string and replacing it with a force (tension) vector pointing away from the ball at its COM.
The next thing is to address the velocity/acceleration at an instant of time. As you said this can get messy, so we need to make assumptions. Is the ball rotating in a circle, which is the easier problem, and is it moving at a constant velocity. That’s actually all we need to prove our point, that the ball is rotating in a circle at constant velocity.
We then draw a velocity vector tangential to the force vector at the COM, which is considered to be acting in a ‘normal’ direction wrt the velocity vector.
I don’t know what could be simpler, Tim. Obviously the ball is restrained in its path by the tension on the string. That same tension prevents the ball from rotating about its COM. What you have here is a simple case of redirected linear motion without local rotation.
The “Spinners” have two commandments:
1) “Spinner” shalt never listen to “Non-Spinner”.
2) “Spinner” shalt never argue with “Spinner”.
The first commandment makes me well aware that there is no point me arguing with Tim about the ball on a string. I would recommend that Tim argues with Norman, RLH and Bindidon, who all agree that the ball on a string is not rotating about an axis that goes through the ball itself. Of course, that goes against the second commandment. But, that’s what I would recommend.
Mostly I have been away because I realize the discussions never go anywhere. For example …
Clint says orbits are not classical mechanics, but Gordon is clear that orbits ARE classical mechanics.
Neither comes out at gives a definition of “rotation”.
Clint appeals to Wikipedia, which starts with “Rotation or rotational/rotary motion is the circular movement of an object around a central line, known as an axis of rotation. ” There is a central line through the ball. All parts of the ball move in circle about that line. Therefore — by the definition of Clint’s own reference — the ball IS rotating about its own axis.
Gordon thinks that the ball is “rotating in a circle at constant velocity” — the ball is TRANSLATING at constant SPEED around the circle, and ROTATING at constant ANGULAR velocity.
DREMT comes in with meaningless declarations that don’t listen to what I wrote. Furthermore, he knows that I *have* disagreed with ‘spinners’ and also knows (or should have noticed) that the ‘non-spinners’ were directly contradicting each other about whether orbits are part of classical mechanics. The empirical evidence is thus that the NON-Spinners follow the two commandments:
1) NON-Spinner shalt never listen to Spinner.
2) NON-Spinner shalt never argue with NON-Spinner.
I made my recommendation, Tim. I know from experience that you simply won’t listen to me. So, talk to Norman, RLH, or Bindidon about it. There’s a chance you might listen to them.
You’re being very astute DREMT by not letting Folkerts drag you into another wasted effort to teach him orbital motion. Like Nate, he can’t learn. Folkerts believes all parts of Moon are moving around CoM — “There is a central line through the ball. All parts of the ball move in circle about that line.” In reality, all parts of Moon are moving WITH CoM.
The cult can’t face reality because they can’t go against cult beliefs.
Actually, let’s try this. Presumably Tim would agree that if no torque is applied about the CoM of the ball on a string, then it is not rotating about its CoM axis. So, I present to Tim the “perfect tetherball”:
The “perfect tetherball” is taken out into deep space, far from the gravitational influence of any nearby body. Let’s have it set up on the side of a spaceship, just for fun. A robot holds the ball between its thumb and forefinger, with the “massless string” kept taut, perpendicular to the pole. With its other hand it holds a small “gun” or “cannon” type device which can “shoot” a small platform out onto the side of the ball to impart the “sideways force” (in the direction of motion). The robot aligns the device “perfectly”, so that the force will be applied through the CoM of the ball, in the right direction. As the device is triggered, the robot lets go of the ball at the perfect moment to allow the motion to begin.
The string thus always acts through the CoM of the ball. There is never any torque about the CoM of the ball, the torque is instead applied about the external axis (located at the pole), imparted by the “gun”/“cannon”.
The “perfect tetherball” is therefore not rotating about its CoM axis.
Boy, was the oil industry wrong about Chris Wright!
https://youtu.be/ZY249GT_mUA
1/ Basically, what the oil and gas industry was facing during this election was a party in the Democrats that wants them to disappear completely, and a party in the Republicans that doesn’t want them to disappear, but they just want them to go bankrupt because their voters can’t afford gasoline unless it’s at 1992 prices.
So, it was a pick-your-poison situation. They thought that “at least Trump will appoint an energy secretary that is pro-oil and gas and will try to push things to actually help the industry, instead of bankrupt us.” And boy, were they wrong!
2/ Now, many oil executives are shocked to find that Trump is the same guy he was the first time around.
They had cheered and celebrated when Chris Wright was appointed Secretary of Energy, but it never occurred to them that Chris Wright is not an oil man. He owns a service company!
What does he know about what it takes for an oil company to survive? What does he know about break even prices? He’s a frac hand!
4/ And now the industry faces four years of Donald Trump which is going to be significantly worse than four years under Kamala Harris.
5/ Remember a couple of months ago when everybody on social media was all drill-baby-drill. You don’t hear that much anymore!
Due to the high SOI index, rainfall should be expected in northern and eastern Australia.
SOI values for 12 Apr, 2025
Average SOI for last 30 days 10.65
Average SOI for last 90 days 8.13
Daily contribution to SOI calculation 17.30
So Trump just issued two executive orders directing the DoJ to investigate two individuals from his previous administration that criticised him.
Here it is again, out in the open, this time accompanied by formal presidential directives.
He is weaponising the DoJ. Staffing it with loyalists was part of the program.
It’s as blatant as it gets. Presidential Orders! But all the conservatives (especially Trump) who without evidence were hotly accusing Biden of this will now congratulate Trump for “ordering justice.”
Every accusation is a confession.
barry, here you are, out in the open, revealing yourself as a child of the left. You understand little about reality.
But, I like your line: “Every accusation is a confession”. That certainly applied when you called me a “lying dog”.
You’re a leftist from Australia. We don’t care what you think.
Looks like you don’t care if a President abuses his powers.
Neither of you have a comment on the topic. Blatant ‘weaponisation’ of the DoJ, out in full view, and you have nothing to say about it.
It’s becoming a pattern. The less defensible the actions of the Trump administration, the more supporters become deaf, blind and mute to these actions.
Same with the tariff formula the administration issued to the public. Not a peep about what it actually is. As if it doesn’t exist.
barry, my topic is reality. I have little interest in your childish attempted perversions of reality, except to correct them as I have time.
You must be busy to have only time for short, vacuous remarks.
I’m too busy for childishness from people over the age of 12.
Such perverts hate reality.
Clint’s topic is whatever ad-hominem he picks from his standard list.
Everyone understands by now that he never has anything of substance to say.
His posts truly can be safely ignored.
You can’t ignore reality, child Nate.
stephen….”Gordo,
Give me a specific on how Trump is scoffing at the Constitution”.
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Stephen…how about quite a few specifics? Everything he has done thus far is via executive orders, many of which require a specific emergency to enact them. That is thumbing his nose at the Constitution and bypassing Congress, who have the sole authority to deal with tariffs.
An emergency he used early on re tariffs aimed at Canada and Mexico is based on the lie that Canada and Mexico are allowing terrorists and drugs to cross the US border.
Excuse me??? Since when are we in Canada responsible for what goes into your country? We are responsible only for what comes out of your country, including illicit drugs. It is up to the US to patrol their own borders to prevent drugs and terrorists from entering.
We were blamed by US citizens for allowing the 9-11 terrorists into the US. BS. They were in the US on visas issued by the US and training on the type of aircraft they used to bomb the Trade Towers.
And how do we know who is a terrorist and who is a drug dealer? They don’t specify that on their passports, claiming to be a terrorist or a drug dealer by occupation. In fact, they don’t even bother with passports, they sneak across the long border between our countries and anything going south is the complete responsibility of the US government.
Borders are two-way conveyances. Anytime I have entered the US I’ve had to deal with US customs officials, not Canadian. I only deal with Canadian officials coming North via highways or east-west via aircraft. I can tell you, Canadian border officials are very tough and very thorough.
I worked at Vancouver airport (YVR) as a contractor. One of my fellow contractors was arrested by customs for entering their domain and thrown in their jail. I was harassed by one of them for using a Customs elevator, even though I had the clearance to use it, and my clearance was prominently displayed. No sir, you don’t mess with Canadian border officials.
stephen…”Now we have the left continually fear mongering about Social Security benefits. Trump is going to take their benefits. Nature is. We need to cut entitlements by 40%. But we wont. Trump wont. But, nature will”.
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It’s a complex problem. I am not into seeing the government support someone who has no intention of working, or doing his/her part in society. Then again, we need enough jobs at decent wages to which people can go to work. That means enough jobs to meet the demand.
That is counter to capitalist/corporate thinking. They want a lack of jobs to increase competition and to make people more desperate to accept a pittance in wages and working conditions. Here in Canada, the government has deliberately created a 9% unemployment rate, more likely double than if all unemployed are counted, at the behest of corporate minds.
I often regarded jobs I had with the mentality that the moment I went to work I was giving up my rights and freedoms guaranteed to me by the Canadian Charter of Right and Freedoms. Many employers regarded me and others as part of a family to which I did not want to belong. All I wanted was to do my job, not engage in personal internal politics. That family had Big Daddy, the employer, at the head of the family and all of us willingly working for him as part of the family.
Absolutely amazing how a forum on weather and climate is hijacked for political bias.
The events in the US are unprecedented for that country, and being the most powerful country in the world by some distance on all fronts, THE superpower in this period, these significant changes are virtually certain to result in considerable international shifts in security and economy. We are all affected and it is unfolding fairly briskly. No wonder we talk about it.
Anon,
The reason all these leftists from all over the world post here about politics is because climate science isn’t about science. It is about politics. IPCC is not a scientific body. It is a political body. These leftists hate free-market capitalism and believe the best way to stop it is law to control energy production. Fossil Fuels are the heart of free-market capitalism and society in general. They hate their fellow citizens who have used capitalism to their advantage.
I think of myself as centrist – but the US is to the right of every modern democracy in the Western world.
It’s actually AGW ‘skeptics’ who bring politics into the science of climate change.
One of the most common refrains is what the economic consequences are of mitigating AGW. That’s a political issue, and it appears far more regularly than any kind of climate activism or political angle on climate change from science realists on this blog.
“These leftists hate free-market capitalism and believe the best way to stop it is law to control energy production.”
Witness who started making political claims about climate science first. Yep, an AGW skeptic makes it about politics.
Every accusation is a confession.
Barry, yep the events in the USA are interesting. Whether or not the world security changes is not relevant to the science of climate change.
There are numerous concerns about the science of CO2 feedback. That’s more interesting than the political bickering that this and many other threads on this site have descended into.
Personally, I think Bill Hunters view on the orbits has merit, it is a 3+ body problem.
I’m happy for any interesting chat on climate, but that is hard to come by here.
bill’s sub millennial cycles from orbital variations amount to climastrology. There is no basis for it in the literature.
Barry, are you saying that the earths orbit doesn’t affect the climate. Are you relying on what others have said, or have you assessed it yourself?
I’ve read 50+ published papers and numerous other sources on the subject of climate change due to orbital variation. Mainly on Milankovitch cycles, including papers estimating the changing strength/incidence of solar radiation due to orbital variations.
As you know Barry we ask for sources around here. This is one small topic thats even on the fringes of Milutin Milanković’s work.
Strangely Milutin Milanković’s most famous text that is the accepted explanation for ice ages is missing in every library I have found that carries a catalog card for it. . .including the Library of Congress. that edition I have been looking for is the jerusalem english translation of “Canon of Insolation and the Ice-Age Problem”
Why do you suppose such a seminal work would be so unavailable?
Certainly if you have a source that explains the mechanics of all this in mathematical terms I would be very interested. I found two both done to incorporate work Milanković into CO2 theory over 45 years ago. That one lists several orbital periodicities in a graphic which I have previously discussed in here. But no discussion.
Another one listed changes to orbital eccentricity as accounting historically for ~55% of climate change due to changes in the mean insolation on the earth’s climate system. but that was decreased a little bit to make room for CO2. So I derived the 55% historical number by proportioning anthropogenic CO2 among the natural perturbations.
And thats compared to the the other two that only affects polar exposure variations and as a result changes albedo but doesn’t affect the mean solar insolation.
So if correct they estimate that 55% of the ice age conditions results from changes in received insolation which mean orbital perturbations of speed and distance.
There is no question there should be an accounting for this.
I found hardcopies of the book online for nearly $3000. Apparently it is extremely rare, having had few copies made, for any of the editions. That may be why there is no easily discoverable digitised version.
I read this work, among others, on Milankovitch and orbital variation:
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1029/RG026i004p00624
The following was published well after my flurry of reading some years back. It’s a briefer overview.
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1007/s40828-020-00120-z
What I did in the late 2000s was go to google scholar and type in “milankovitch cycles”, and read a bunch of stuff that looked relevant. As I read I came up with new search terms to refine my interest in orbital variations and climate, ultimately reading papers that mathematically estimated changes in insolation incidence, wanting to figure out for myself how much warming could be attributed purely to this, absent any feedback mechanisms.
You could easily do the same.
If you have trouble getting full versions, find the doi and paste it into the home page of the website above. You can often get a full version that way.
You won’t find Milankovith’s canonical work there, because it is not peer-reviewed. It hasn’t been digitally scanned, and doesn’t have a DOI.
Yes Barry I read the Berger paper and have discussed how it supports what I have been saying especially with regard to shorter term orbital variations. See Figure 2 for the list of them Milankovic found at much smaller cycles than the Holocene. And Milankovic had to do this work without computers and no high resolution temperature proxy records to aid him in finding patterns in that data.
Anyway its highly unusual that so little work has been done in the modern era on this stuff. The focus of these researchers was to find estimates of solar orbital changes to cause the ice ages.
Since these orbital variation are all brought about by the gravitational pull of other objects or groups of objects in the universe we can be assured of having effects occurring at every time interval in time with the rotation of planets.
Yet the most obvious potential for natural climate change has been completely ignored with the wave of the hand leaving many questions unanswered.
with computers and proxy records up orders of magnitude one could say the science now is archaic.
Anon for a reason says:
”Personally, I think Bill Hunters view on the orbits has merit, it is a 3+ body problem.”
Yes that’s the exact issue.
There are two effects from the basic elliptical orbit distance of the earth from the sun varies over course of the orbit and the speed of earth increases as it approaches its nearest point to the sun and decreases as it moves away from the sun.
The primary reason for an elliptical orbit to exist is gravitational influences by other objects in the universe. A major effect is the approximate reason the earth’s axis has a precession period of ~26,000 years. This is in time with the rate that the perihelion changes its position as well.
what hasn’t been defined is the gravitational influence in outerspace that brings this orbit and tilt precession into being as its the sum of gravity and distance to all the other objects in the universe.
And of course we have planets with much shorter rotation periods along with asteroid belts and quite possibly star systems within our galaxy that have their own rotations around each other.
Obviously a lot needs to be learned about these processes as they undoubtedly have a significant effect on climate including the plunging into ice ages for which the only other competitor is cycles in solar activity of longer periods than the regular solar cycles which may in turn be influenced by these same forces to some degree, though solar scientists are toying with ideas about how the internal processes of the sun may have their own cycles, like we see with ENSO on earth. But these in themselves be caused by external gravitational influences and exist out of perfect time with those outside effects due to the physics of these currents circulating internally.
But there is strong correlation to the movements of the 4 gas giants that have various cycles occurring among themselves as to conjunctions in the sky and where those conjunctions are oriented with regards to the semi-major axes of the orbit.
the must fundamental cycle is the 20 year conjunction cycles of Jupiter and Saturn. These conjunctions take up to s900 years to sweep out the entire celestial compass.
Uranus and Neptune with orbit times of ~84 and ~165 years, have a conjunction cycle of 175years and takes ~3,500 years to sweep the celestial compass relative to the semi-major axes of earth’s orbit around the sun.
Uranus and Neptune have a much more uniform effect as each conjunction varies by approximate 18degrees on the celestial compass. Thus 360 degrees divided by 18 equals 20 conjunctions to sweep the compass and at 175 years.
Jupiter and Saturn conjunctions occur 3 times before returning to the same area of the sky with a change in the celestial compass obout 8 degrees 60 years later.
And of course the exact longitude of this sweep of the compass has tidal effects on earth’s orbit that significantly aligns with earth’s travel through its slower and faster halves of its orbit.
We see these oscillations occurring in both our instrument and proxy records. They align with the LIA cooling. They align with the industrial age warming. They align throughout the holocene with ice core records. the pace of the satellite era aligns with the orbit of Jupiter which comprises the most significant individual planet. The weakest conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the past 120 years aligns with an end of cooling trends in the in 1920 and 1980 due for next replication in 2040.
Neptune moved 180degrees on the compass over the past 82 years and Uranus did it in the past 42 years since the bottom of cooling in 1980.
I got into this 15 years ago by discovering the 20 year cycle of conjunctions of Saturn and Jupiter but only learning a little more than a year ago that it was Saturn and Jupiter by revisiting the calculations of 15 years ago that I had no explanation for.
Since then everything I have discovered aligns with this. The variability of number of days that earth takes to complete half a journey on the same side of its orbit from the Naval Observatory. (up to 5 days difference)
The major ice core peaks and valleys. the ocean oscillations that appear to favor one phase of EMSO over the instrument record.
This issue definitely needs more work as it explains variations that the IPCC has been ignoring. Such as the low ice conditions accompanying the 1930’s and early 40’s corresponding to a major instrument record peak occurring simultaneously.
Further the 3500 year peaks show up as peaks at the Minoan Warm period and again about 7,000 years before the present in the following chart. (peaks 3 and 7)
https://co2coalition.org/facts/temperatures-have-changed-for-800000-years-it-wasnt-us/
The other peaks in that chart may align with the 860-900 year cycles of Saturn and Jupiter. But since ice core dating is only about 90% accurate and that the gravitational influences of the planets have impacts on all the orbits of all the planets it can be difficult to validate without computerized data access to the most accurate and up to date ephemeris.
“The variability of number of days that earth takes to complete half a journey on the same side of its orbit from the Naval Observatory. (up to 5 days difference)”
We discussed this thoroughly. This is purely an artifact of the Moon’s orbit shifting the Earth very slightly away or toward the sun as it orbits, as the USNO explained. The Moon-Earth barycenter still orbits in the same time period. This has negligible effect on climate.
Nate the moon does influence the earth’s wobble but the moon’s ability to actually move the earth faster or slower in orbit is limited by the diameter of the barycenter from the earth which is less that 6,000 miles over about 13.6 days then it goes the other way.
Meanwhile the earth is traveling at 66,616 miles per hour in orbit. 5 days difference equals about 8 million miles.
Thus just recently alignments of gravitational sources other than the sun has had the effect of about 1,330 moons that took 40 years to occur.
So your take is a bit more than a little off as an explanation.
Of course I explained that to you a long time ago. So I don’t know why I have to do it again.
the largest influence in orbital slowing and speeding besides the sun, is Jupiter, followed by the other gas giants due to how long the acceleration is applied.
so yes as usual we had a long conversation with your argument completely lacking quantification. What needs to be done is to quantify these effects and your anonymous websource wasn’t at all convincing. One has to wonder about you and your furtive anonymous figures in a dark alley.
Just today you replicated another one of those dark figures coming up with a ridiculous argument here: https://www.drroyspencer.com/2025/03/hey-epa-why-not-regulate-water-vapor-emissions-while-you-are-at-it/#comment-1703293
What I am calling for is the actual work made available that quantifies all the objects we know of that have influence on the earth’s orbit.
You are just handwaving here with no sources which is how science has been operating while the institutions lobby for more and more funds to fix a problem they haven’t yet defined and worse they aren’t even specifying what obviously is responsible for the peaks and valleys we see over many decades and centuries in the instrument and proxy records.
The IPCC does a bang up job of telling us what it isn’t. Its about time they started telling what it is. Obviously Milankovic was doing a bang up job with no computers and less than accurate ephemeris but was able to produce evidence of cycles of all sorts of periods. One man, no computer.
Yep 6000 miles shift of the Earth is significant compared to the changes in Earth-Sun distance, near aphelion or perihelion. It is significant enough to change the day in which these extrema of Earth-Sun distance are reached.
These are just facts, as pointed out by USNO and me. But you don’t listen.
Yes Nate I said the moon is a factor it just not the only factor. And if you understood gravity you would understand that. And I am sure your USNI webmaster could also learn a few lessons as well.
anon…hijack is too harsh. Most of us have been here for years, commenting every day, and it gets to the point where all weather and climate scenarios get covered. When a big event that can change the world for the worst comes along, we diverge somewhat.
Along the way we have proved that the Moon does not rotate on its own axis, that times does not exist, and that 2nd law still applies.
Technically, when someone hijacks a thread, he/she comes into a thread and redirects it to his/her point of interest. Most of us who post here are commenting on Trumps melt down.
Why don’t you post something controversial re weather/climate?
Well put, Gordon.
I am referring only to your first paragraph…
Gordon,
The original poster was Dr Roy and the original subject was temperature data records. So it was not about Trump.
As long as nasa keeps recording data and allows public access to raw data, then good.
“allows public access to raw data”
Interestingly one of the many initiatives of the new Admin has been to remove public access to climate data from gov web sites.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/climate/government-websites-climate-environment-data.html
Because, apparently, we don’t need to know…
Gordo,
Is it true Montreal Police beat and jailed a jouurnalist for covering a rally? Sounds like Australia.
Stephen, no whataboutism can undo the abuses of our current government.
Unfortunately this blog has been taken over by Leftists, Anon.
Dr. Spencer does not like it and has tried to do something about it, but does not favor censorship. He has asked the abusers to at least restrict how much they comment. But people like barry, gordon, and nate, cannot control themselves.
He’s not commented on that, whereas he has written whole articles debunking the anti-science ‘no GHE’ nonsense pushed regularly by several people here, such as Clint.
Child Nate, I’ve asked several times for you to provide even one instance where I have the physics wrong.
You can’t.
So grow up and quit stalking me.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2025/04/uah-v6-1-global-temperature-update-for-march-2025-0-58-deg-c/#comment-1702344
Oh and when you claimed the far and near sides of the Moon have the same velocity.
When you claimed the Moon has no angular momentum.
When you claimed a black body could reflect light like a mirror if it came from a colder source.
Etc etc
Are you throwing things against the wall hoping something will stick, Nate?
Which ONE of those do you believe is wrong? I’ll only discuss ONE. I don’t have time to teach you a full course in physics. Pick your favorite, and state why you believe it is wrong, and I’ll explain it to you.
You get ONE chance, don’t blow it.
nate…you need to be careful with that one. Even though the near side and far side move at different velocities does not mean they don’t complete the orbit in exactly the same time. From that perspective, the ‘average speed’ of both sides is the same.
BTW…the average speed is also the change in angle (angular velocity) of a radial line drawn through the body wrt the x-axis. The further out from the axis along the radial line you get, the faster a point will be moving. That is not of interest in orbital mechanics with a rigid body, only the velocity of the radial line. Ergo, the different particle velocity argument is a moot point.
Remember, this is a rigid body problem in which all particles in a body are required to complete an orbit in the same time. That’s the reason that particles in larger radius orbits have to move faster than particles on inner radius orbits.
nate…”I am referring only to your first paragraph”
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Nate…got a chuckle out of that one. I did not expect you to agree with my comment….”Along the way we have proved that the Moon does not rotate on its own axis, that times does not exist, and that 2nd law still applies”.
I hope we all maintain a sense of humour and perspective about what we write. Obviously, there is an emotional divide between skeptics and alarmists, right and left, and I hope we can all be aware of that and see past it.
I have life-long friends who are right-wingers and it has never gotten in the way of our friendship. We’ve had some good arguments over politics, and a current lady-friend tells me to ‘shut up’ about global warming and science in general. By shut up, it means she is right and I am wrong. Makes me giggle.
She is right..
“Ill only discuss ONE. I dont have time to teach you a full course in physics.”
Bwa ha ha!
I have no interest in being ‘taught’ Clint-physics, otherwise known as Fizzux.
Child Nate you had a chance, but you blew it.
Nate,
Again your bias is glaring. He hasn’t debunked anything. As a matter of fact he state he doesn’t know how much if any man has contributed to warming. He believes that it is over half. But, it is only a belief based on nothing but his gut.
Roy Spencer has written whole articles debunking the anti-science no GHE nonsense, as well as explaining the anthro cause of CO2 rise.
Nate obviously doesn’t have the wherewithall to distinguish between questions of how much warming CO2 will produce at given future levels of emissions and denying that a GHE exists altogether.
Typical activist with minimal analytical skills whose only skill set is to attempt to smear anybody who doesn’t agree with him.
As per usual Bill cannot refute what I said, so tries to change the subject to something he can bait me on.
Will not take the bait.
You see there you go. Asking how much warming will result for doubling CO2 is ”baiting” him. . .into a discussion he has no answers for.
Unwarranted.
Trump has denied North Carolina’s request for FEMA relief from Hurricane Helene, calling it “unwarranted.”
So, nothing for Americans rebuilding from disaster in Western NC which is still in ruins. He doesn’t care about anyone, or America, only power and money!
Trump won NC; and the most devastated 11th district he won by 13 points.
https://ncnewsline.com/2025/04/12/fema-will-stop-matching-100-of-helene-recovery-money-in-nc-stein-says/
Let them eat cake!
bill hunter…”You forget that Trump only annoys annoying people giving them back what they bring”.
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I used to see him that way and found it amusing when he PO’d the likes of NATO for not paying their fair share. Then I saw him rudely, and uncouthly, attack Canadian PM Trudeau, who was visiting. He began egging him about Canada becoming the 51st state and making Trudeau the governor. Then he repeated it, bullying Ukraine president, Zelensky, in the White House. Trump has a bully mentality, hardly the quality one would want to see in a president of a country like the US.
He was not joking. In the dark recesses of his mind, Trump actually believes that we in Canada are clamouring to join the US. He did the same with Greenland and Panama, sending his sycophant, JD Vance, to Greenland with his wife, hoping to sway Greenlanders. They received him with such hostility that he was forced to divert to the US forces base.
Can’t agree with you, Bill. I now regard Trump as a horse’s patooty. He seems to fashion himself after McKinley, who was assassinated by someone who he seriously annoyed. McKinley annexed Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and other territories and joined with the UK to build the Panama Canal. He was also into tariffs.
The problem with wannabees like Trump is that he lacks the insight required to understand someone like McKinley. He is trying to be a megastar president with a used car salesman’s mentality.
As the real Clint (not the toy Clint we have here) would say, ‘a man’s gotta know his limitations’. Trump fails to grasp that anyone with a semblance of intelligence can see right through him. Same with the toy Clint.
In another U-turn the Trump administration late Friday said it would exclude electronics such as smartphones and laptops from its recent tariffs.
YAY! No American made products! We’re winning.
I’m curious what the spin is now. We got no deal and now he’s backtracking on the most important things for the US to start manufacturing.
Yeah, no company in their right mind is going to start pouring billions into re-shoring manufacturing if this sh!t changes every day.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/clarification-of-exceptions-under-executive-order-14257-of-april-2-2025-as-amended/
Ark, add “clarification” to the growing list of things you don’t understand.
Perhaps Trump will clarify his intentions, but I’m not holding my breath.
At the moment the UK has a choice. Trade with the US who have 340 million people and are discouraging us using high tariffs, or China who have 1.4 billion people and no tariffs.
If we have to choose one, it should be China.
Entropic man.
My business experience dealing with China is thus:
In 1997 I was bidding on some oil fields in South America. My bid of USD 41 million was easily beaten by CNOOC (fully state-owned by the government of the People’s Republic of China) with a bid of USD 240 million.
After taking over the fields, CNOOC built a sprawling camp housing 200 imported workers. They utilized very little local labor or materials.
I came up against them again in 2007 in Damascus, Syria. I just walked away.
They play the long game. Not surprising for a 5,000 year old civilization.
Indeed if you are simpleton and believes a choice boils down to 2 variables. UK will continue to sell wherever they have customers willing to buy.
With production economic multiplier factors running 3 to 5 times. . .at the same price and quality its about 3 times or more better for the nation’s economy to buy entirely US made and sold goods than entirely foreign made and sold goods.
Thats why the EU and China and others erect trade barriers. And tariffs are but one form of trade barrier. A more common trade barrier is just out and out prohibiting an import of the goods.
10,000 food additives prohibited in Europe but allowed here (per the press) means 10,000 trade barriers.
https://tinyurl.com/mryk3rys From MSN in Dec 2024
”The $690 Billion Breakup: How Chinas Trade Shift is Reshaping Global Economics”
“at the same price and quality”
If that were the case we would not import so much.
If one believes in the free market at all, then one has to let products be made where they can be made at the lowest cost.
Nate says:
”at the same price and quality”
If that were the case we would not import so much.
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Thats true but one has to be conscious of the abuses one is supporting following that philosophy.
Thanks for the April 11 executive order, Ark:
“In Executive Order 14257, I stated that certain goods are not subject to the ad valorem rates of duty under that order. One of those excepted products is semiconductors. The subsequent orders issued in connection with Executive Order 14257 i.e., Executive Order 14259 of April 8, 2025 (Amendment to Reciprocal Tariffs and Updated Duties as Applied to Low-Value Imports from the Peoples Republic of China), and the Executive Order of April 9, 2025 (Modifying Reciprocal Tariff Rates to Reflect Trading Partner Retaliation and Alignment), (Subsequent Orders) incorporate the exceptions in Executive Order 14257, including for semiconductors.”
April 14:
“Donald Trump says he will announce the tariff rate on imported semiconductors over the next week, with new sector-specific tariffs to be created.
It comes just two days after the White House issued a tariff exemption for various electronics, which it now says is temporary.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-14/donald-trump-to-announce-tariffs-on-semiconductors/105174046
This administration may break records for the amount of “clarifications” they have issued.
“We issue the most clarifications of any administration, I think. It’s a beautiful word, “claRIFIcation. There’s going be so much clarification over next few the weeks and months. And years, probably. You’re going to get tired of all the clarification.”
D Trump, probably.
Hmmmm. EO issued April 11. Double April fools?
Barry,
What do you think about the Supreme Court ruling 9-0 in favor of the President that he can deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador and that the Distric Judge has no say in the matter?
I think you have been misinformed.
Here is the SCOTUS ruling.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf
Here is the overview of the case at Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego_Garcia#Emergency_docket_appeal_to_the_Supreme_Court
I’ll quote from SCOTUS itself.
“The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal…
The [Government] application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by THE CHIEF JUSTICE, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Governments emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Courts order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Courts authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.”
In a separate case SCOTUS recently rules that nominated de[portees may not be deported without having been given notice of their deportation, time to prepare a defence, and that they must be given the right of due process (a hearing in a court) before deportation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.G.G._v._Trump#Supreme_Court
No ruling was made on whether the Alien Enemies Act is applicable in these cases.
What makes you believe the United States government can carry out extrajudicial deportations? Is it because the United States government told you that?
Barry,
You have as much trouble understanding judicial rulings as you do climate science. First, the court ruled 9-0 that district judges have no authority to interfere in foreign policy. Second, the court ruled that the Executive Branch does not have to effectuate his release nor can they. Third, they can facilitate his passage back to the US if he does get released.
Barry,
Reread the ruling. First, 9-0 District judges have no authority in foreign matters. Second, not obligated to effectuate release. Third, can facilitate his transport if he does get released. Why do leftists love criminals more than they like victims?
Barry,
Are you hearing any more from the nitwit judge in Maryland issuing orders?
You’re trying to hang on to your firsty, incorrect paraphrase of the ruling. You wrote:
“The Supreme Court ruling 9-0 in favor of the President that he can deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador and that the District Judge has no say in the matter?”
1. The Supreme Court affirmed the Government’s own admission that the deportation was illegal.
“The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal…”
So, no. It was illegal for the president to deport Abrego-Garcia.
The district judge does indeed have a say in the matter. Quoting the SCOTUS ruling again:
“The rest of the District Courts order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcias release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”
It seems you have (or some source you have absorbed has…) omitted much of the ruling and clung only to the parts of the ruling that you think favour your view.
I provided the link to the whole ruling for a reason. You have been misinformed.
I also provided a link corroborating that the president (the Government) cannot deport people without due process, which is definitely what happened for the gentleman in question – which is why the government admitted it had made an error – and probably all the Venezuelans deported.
I can read English. I read the SCOTUS ruling. All of it. I suggest you do the same. It is tiresome to have a discussion with people deliberately who deliberately omit inconvenient evidence. I have to waste time highlighting what they should, if they were fair minded, have already absorbed.
“Why do leftists love criminals more than they like victims?”
We love having the rule of law, rather than mob rule.
In our country everyone has the right to due process. Else anyone the govt doesn’t like can be called a ‘criminal’ and locked up or worse.
The government didn’t admit the deportation was illegal. Some DOJ bureaucrat whose been fired said it was in error. It wasn’t. The guy had a deportation order. He was El Salvadorian, not a Maryland man. He was here illegally. He is a gang member. He ain’t coming back. Good riddance.
“He is a gang member.”
Just repeating propaganda you heard. No court determined that. He got no due process.
A court did determine earlier that he should have protected status and should not be shipped to El Salvador.
Our govt ignored that court order. Because we no longer have rule of law.
No, stephen, I did not quote the DoJ bureaucrat or the district court judge I quoted the SCOTUS ruling.
“The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal”
You asked what I thought about SCOTUS giving carte blanche to the government to deport Abrego Garcia. So I quoted the SCOTUS ruling above, which you seem to not be able to read through whatever lenses prevent you.
You also said the district judge has no say in the matter, so I quoted SCOTUS on that.
“The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”
You are misinformed.
I believe you are ideologically incapable of even allowing yourself to absorb those parts of the SCOTUS ruling, much less talk about them.
I fully expect that even after a 3rd time pointing to them your eyes will just glide right past them, and you will prove again that you are cognitively incapable of dealing with these specific rulings from SCOTUS.
You’ll talk about anything but what is in clear contradiction of what you said. It will continue to be as if you didn’t read what SCOTUS ruled here.
I hope you reply. It will be a good case study in strong confirmation bias, where conflicting information is so well filtered out that the person literally does not see evidence that is starkly contrary to their opinion.
“Some DOJ bureaucrat whose been fired said it was in error.”
Whoops! Telling the truth will get you fired in this government.
Or investigated.
You really think this is how government should operate, Stephen?
The cult kids must believe negotiating trade agreements is as easy as buying a lollipop. They have no understanding of the complexities involved.
International negotiating is complicated. It’s somewhat like a chess game. One side makes a move, then the other makes a move, and on and on until the end. We know Trump is winning because many countries have already agreed to alter their trade restrictions. In addition, many companies have announced plans to build manufacturing plants here. Even if no more progress is made, USA is already better off than before. But Trump’s not finished….
The process is beyond the understanding of children, as we can see from their comments here.
Clint R
So what was broken that required massive changes? One could just as easily worked on negotiations without massive disruptions and negative feelings. Not sure what your point is. You rarely have anything of value. Now you sound like a Fox News junkie.
Just more insults and false accusations from Norman. Even barry has learned such childishness doesn’t work: “Every accusation is a confession.”
“The cult kids must believe negotiating trade agreements is”
Not done by threatening then withdrawing tariffs on a weekly basis.
No doubt you will spend a couple of paragraphs explaining the historical value of this approach, as opposed to the more structured, deliberative approaches that included actual negotiation over months before threatened tariffs were implemented.
Like the “more structured, deliberative approaches” Biden used to correct trade restrictions, border crossings, higher inflation, etc???
You don’t understand any of this barry.
“Like the “more structured, deliberative approaches” Biden used..”
Like every president before Trump who negotiated trade deals.
You can’t describe the tariff formula, you can’t explain what Trump is doing and you don’t know your history. And to cover all that you declare no one else knows anything. You poor, transparent sap.
Trump is winning, barry.
Face reality.
I recognize your insults and false accusations as both your confession and your concession.
You poor, deluded, transparent sap.
Trump is not winning.
Not in the polls – he has lost a lot of ground.
Not on the economy – the price of things are a bit more expensive than in January and the stock market went down and has not fully recovered since he started his trade war, which will result in higher prices.
Not in court – his EOs have been stayed or overturned.
Not on tariffs – he backed down after the stock markets fell and investors started selling off US bonds. Hopefully he keeps backing down to a reasonable negotiating position so the economy doesn’t tank.
Mexico, Panama, Canada, Greenland, Ukraine, Yemen, Gaza, Iran, China, the list continues to grow. Trump is winning everywhere.
Even on the golf courses….
King Henry-8 always ‘won’ in sporting events too.
Otherwise Trump has won against penguins, but that’s about it.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-tariffs-trade-war-global-penguins-not-putin-1235309637/
Testing
SOLAR MINIMUM UPDATE
For March, receipts grew 11% or $36 billion from a year earlier to $368 billion, while outlays fell 7% or $40 billion to $528 billion, the Treasury said. But since March started on a weekend, $83 billion in benefit payments for the month were shifted into February. Without this shift, the March deficit would have been $244 billion, an increase of $24 billion or 11% from a year earlier.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-march-budget-deficit-falls-161-bln-customs-revenue-rises-2025-04-10/
This doesn’t say how much Bukele charged for his gulag services, or if he was paid in BTC.
WIN WIN WIN!
The current news is not good for those who want to see Trump fail, or want to see the USA lose to China. The war against the USA, that has been going on since President Xi took office as dictator for life, is getting more intense.
How many remember the Panama Canal story? The claim was that Trump was threaten Panama. It got intense news coverage. Too bad for the doubters, but it is settled. Panama has cancelled the port contracts with China (or will shortly), and made new contracts with US companies. That was what Trump wanted.
The stock market is slowly recovering with a good performance today. Most of the countries that want good business relationships with the US are moving toward negotiations. This is the desired outcome. A “trade war” was never the intent of the tariffs.
China is the exception. Some say that is bad. The fact is they have played their weak hand for the world to see. Trump still holds a good hand with good cards. China does not want fair trade. They want to use our money to finance their massive military expansion. Why do they need a big military? Is it just about Taiwan? What else do they want?
There are news reports about very naive Europeans wanting to extend trade relations with China. Good luck with that.
Putin is in the process of playing his weak hand showing he does not want to end the war. It remains to be seen how Trump will react to this. Having first extended friendship, Trump is now in a position to say “we gave you a chance to do it the easy way”. We have some very capable missile systems including cruise missiles he could send to Ukraine. That is what the EU wants. Stay tuned.
The southern border is essentially shut down. People got the memo. The SCOTUS says a regional district judge cannot make US foreign policy.
Despite the complaints from the opposition Democrat media, the DOGE is actually making good progress finding all kinds of problems while also making some notable mistakes. In the end, it will have been a very successful effort on the part of Musk and his band of expert computer analysts to figure out how the government works and what might be possible in the way of cost reduction.
“This is the desired outcome. A trade war was never the intent of the tariffs.”
Some here appear to be very accepting of the White House’s post-hoc rationalizations of their erratic and damaging policies.
DT has been a true believer in Tariffs for many years, and he only flinched and reversed many of the tariffs when he was shown that the Bond and Stock Market were nearing meltdown.
Then he reversed tariffs on China produced electronics when he realized that Americans would notice the drastic rise in phone prices.
If the goal was always to fix China, that does not explain away the large tariffs on the rest of the world, many allies, excluding Russia.
Nate,
What are you going to say when the bond and stock markets melt down anyway?
The vast majority of Americans understand that Trump will own any economic downturns and inflation that commences this year due to his policies.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/president-trumps-tariff-plan-brings-concerns-about-prices-cbs-news-poll-finds/
Oh, OK, so the economic downturn which started months ago is because of the Trump tariffs which he has backed off of so any downturn in the future will be because of some other yet unnamed policy decision that you will find to blame it on?
Stop gaslighting Stephen.
“A trade war was never the intent of the tariffs”
Facepalm. A trade war is never a goal. It is the stoush to achieve goals. Why post such inanities?
Because you’re pretending to be an objective commentator while actually spruiking for Trump.
Please don’t bother with the neutral posture. It’s patently false.
As for the tariff shemozzle – like so many Trump initiatives, it is ill-conceived, from the gut gestures and tweets. There’s no plan. they’re winging it and having to back down or reverse course,like so many of the other initiatives of this administration. When will you realize they are not strategic, they are ideologues mostly winging it, and mostly getting it wrong, like using Signal to share upcoming strike details.
Ther amateur hour of this mob is breathtaking, on every level.
Nate
” … excluding Russia. ”
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No wonder: The Trumping boy is clearly behaving like what he is: Putin’s obedient acolyte.
He doesn’t even have the balls to attack him and instead, incredibly, accuses Ukraine once again of having started the war which as everyone knows was initiated by Putin and his Moscow henchmen.
Look:
” Donald Trump has questioned Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s competence and suggested Ukraine started the war against Russia which is ’20 times’ its size.
It comes a day after 35 people, including two children, were killed by two Russian missiles that struck the northeastern city of Sumy as Ukrainians gathered to celebrate Palm Sunday in what was the deadliest strike on the country so far this year, according to officials. ”
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This now is even more incredible:
” The US president also said ‘millions of people are dead because of three people‘ – blaming Russian President Vladimir Putin, his White House predecessor Joe Biden, and Mr Zelenskyy, in that order. ”
Is it possible to be dumber than Trump? I doubt.
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The fact is that dictator Putin had no problem sending hundreds of thousands of Russians into this battlefield, which one could essentially call a meat grinder: according to mostly best-informed UK military sources, 250,000 died, 700,000 were ‘only’ injured, but most of them were actually closer to death than life (many of these soldiers were released from prison with the cruel promise of being released ‘after the war’).
And even crueler: Trump’s ally, the Putin pig, had no problem not only deliberately sending Iranian Shahed drones and Russian missiles at numerous residential buildings in Ukraine – purely civilian targets -which resulted in well over 10,000 civilian deaths, but also having spokesman Dmitry Sergeyevich Peskov (Putin’s Karoline Leavitt, so to speak) announce that they had only attacked military units carefully hidden among the population!
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Source
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-blames-volodymyr-zelenskyy-for-starting-ukraine-war-a-day-after-dozens-killed-in-russian-missile-strikes-13349001
via
https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/vous-ne-commencez-pas-une-guerre-contre-quelqu-un-20-fois-plus-grand-que-vous-trump-s-en-prend-de-nouveau-a-zelensky-20250414
{ The French newspaper Le Figaro isn’t as extremely far right-wing as Breitbart, Fox News, New York Post etc; it is however still anything but ‘leftist’ – except in the pea brain of those brazen idiots who claim that even bloodthirsty dictators like Pinochet are so. }
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Anyone who doesn’t understand what Trump’s kowtowing to the Putin pig is all about, needs only to translate excerpts from this report using Google Translate:
https://www.ukrinform.fr/rubric-society/3974743-regis-gente-journaliste-francais-auteur-du-livre-sur-les-liens-de-trump-avec-la-russie.html
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More you don’t need.
Bindi, “Russian collusion” was a hoax. Think “Hillary”. It’s all be discredited, but now FBI participants are being investigated.
I agree completely that Trump needs to clarify his comment about the “mistake”. Putin has been bombing civilians on purpose from the start and still is. His bombs hit their targets.
The rest of your quotes are misleading and out of context. None of the pundits have any knowledge of Trump’s conversations with Putin, or what his true opinion is of Putin. All we know, and I believe him, is that he wants to end the war whether that means a victory for Zelensky or not.
This transcript was easy to find. He fully clarifies his blame assertions. The conversation starts with a reporters question marked as 11:27. The conversation ends at a reporters question marked as 15:20.
https://www.rev.com/transcripts/trump-meets-with-the-president-of-el-salvador
[2,500, it’s a killing field. It’s like the Civil War. You take a look. I look at the satellite pictures. This should not be happening in our time. Of course, our time can be pretty violent as we know. But that’s a war that should have never been allowed to start. And Biden could have stopped it and Zelenskyy could have stopped it and Putin should have never started it. Everybody’s to blame.]
This next one seems like he is blaming Zelensky again:
[Have you spoken to President Zelenskyy, sir, out his offer to purchase more Patriot missile batteries?
Donald Trump (13:51):
Oh, I don’t know. He’s always looking to purchase missiles. He’s against Listen, when you start a war, you got to know that you can win the war, right? You don’t start a war against somebody that’s 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles. If we didn’t give them what we gave, remember I gave them Javelins. That’s how they won their first big battle. With the tanks that got stuck in the mud and they took them out with Javelins. They have an expression that Obama, at the time, Obama gave them sheets and Trump gave them Javelins. But just something that should have never happened. It’s a really shame. The towns are destroyed. Towns and cities are largely destroyed.]
This is the one with his “three people” quote where he actually blames “Putin, number one”.
[And most importantly, you have millions of people dead. Millions of people dead because of three people, I would say three people. Let’s say Putin, number one. But let’s say Biden who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two and Zelenskyy. And all I can do is try and stop it. That’s all I want to do. I want to stop the killing. And I think we’re doing well in that regard. I think you’ll have some very good proposals very soon.]
I think Trump is wrong about proposals coming soon. I think Putin is playing games and has no intent to have a cease fire or negotiate any time soon. I think Trump will need to turn up the heat in some way.
And he’s wrong about Ukraine doing this:
‘You dont start a war against somebody thats 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles.’
But glad to see you are coming back to reality on ‘Peace in our time’, Tim.
The only people who can have a rational conversation about who started what are those who are students of the history of Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and their relations with Russia since then. That last 15 years or so is very crucial. There are a lot of allegations and counter-allegations that are not well known by western observers.
“rational conversation about who started what”
That could not be Trump.
Part of the history is The 1993 Tracy between Ukraine Russia and the US that guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty in exchange for its Nukes.
Does sovereignty mean you get to make your own internal policies. Yes it does.
It is plainly obvious who invaded who.
Anybody suggesting this was justified is ignoring history.
For example the justifications used by Russia were quite reminiscent of those used by Germany when it invaded Poland.
‘Tracy’ — was meant to be ‘Treaty’.
F*king autocorrect.
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I would like to discuss Dr. Roy Spencer’s 2016 article, which I am studying right now.
Link:
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/09/errors-in-estimating-earths-no-atmosphere-average-temperature/
I would like something only Dr. Spenser is capable to answer, because, I quote:
“If I use the more traditionally-used Earth albedo value of 0.3, I get a global average surface temperature of 251 K, which is only 5 deg. C below the single solar flux calculation of 256 K. Thus, the error caused by using a single global average solar flux to estimate a global average terrestrial temperature in the S-B equation is much less for the Earth than it is for the Moon.”
Please, Dr. Roy, would you like to run the model in the case for the planet Mars?
Mars rotates almost as fast as Earth, and Mars has the average surface specific heat almost as Moon’s.
The solar flux on Mars is 586,4 W/m^2.
Also for Mars Te = 210 K
and Tsat = 210 K
It is interesting to find out how much would be the error in the case of Mars?
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Banana Republic tier stuff… Happy Tax Day America!
The Trump administration has broken the law [again] by taking down a
website meant to show the public how federal funding is disbursed to agencies. They are trying to unlawfully hide how agencies are being directed to spend allocated funding.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.279473/gov.uscourts.dcd.279473.1.0.pdf
This is one reason they’re trying to hide federal expenditures:
https://ibb.co/DH2sZ4xN
So far, about USD 150 billion more has been spent in 2025 than in 2024.
The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance
That comment doesn’t make any sense. So, you expect in less than 120 days for them to completely reverse the spending when you have entitlements increasing every day and the total debt increasing every day? You are devoid of all reality.
It is too early to see the impacts on federal expenditure of the Trump administration’s decisions and actions.
That is not the question, is it?
Federal expenditure is baked in for at least the first 3 months of Trump’s term, and we won’t see the impact of the culling of the federal bureaucracy until mid-year at the soonest, though the gains from (eventual) wage-related cost-reduction will have minor impact anyway. Things will become clearer at the end of the fiscal year, and more so at the end of the first 12 months. The budget hasn’t landed yet, but it is definitely going to add to the debt.
This in response to that.
I pity the not so wealthy in the US. The Trump administration’s economic policies are going to hammer them.
But that is not the worst of these feckless thugs.
The question is: why have the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and Director Russell Vought decided that they no longer wish to comply with the law?
Congress mandated that the OMB make public the apportionment of congressionally appropriated funds by implementing an “automated system” for posting apportionment documents and related information on a publicly accessible website, in a format that facilitates public use. Transparency in apportionments is intended to prevent abuses of power and to strengthen both congressional and public oversight of the spending process.
OMB complied with this requirement until March 24, 2025, when the website began displaying a “page not found” error. On March 29, 2025, Director Vought sent a letter to the Ranking Members of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees, Representative Rosa DeLauro and Senator Patty Murray, stating that the OMB “will no longer operate and maintain” the website mandated by law.
Yes your first post pointed out yet more illegal deletions of oversight. Your second post was off the mark.
“Your second post was off the mark.”
My follow up post is a statement of fact. Do you doubt the data?
Federal expenditure for the last 3 months has nothing to do with Trump’s decisions. They are baked-in congressional appropriations.
So the implication in your second post:
“So far, about USD 150 billion more has been spent in 2025 than in 2024.
The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance”
Is ill-informed.
So far, about USD 150 billion more has been spent in 2025 than in 2024.
Musk April 2025: DOGE will cut $150 billion.
The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance.
Stay in your lane.
Pfffft.
…. after firing a bunch of inspectors general without replacing them, and gutting congressional oversight committees. It’s almost exactly like they don’t want the public to see what they are doing.
Their version of accountability and transparency is, “We’re tweeting all the facts to you all the time.”
barry, the firing was made public. You know about it. It was no secret, just like the firing of a bunch of corrupt FBI agents.
But, you didn’t know about all of the corruption going on under Biden. That doesn’t bother you. You’re only concerned when corruption is being outed.
You might want to examine your own corruption. You seem to have a hard time accepting reality.
“corrupt FBI agents”
None of whom will be in the courts.
The administration did not announce these firings, nor the gutting of the oversight committees. Nor did the administration file the required 30 days notice of the intention to fire the inspectors general. The information came from the AG’s themselves. The White House did all that quietly.
You are so divorced from reality that you don’t realize you’re making things up. You actually believe your own fantasies.
But even if the administration had publicly announced the gutting of oversight on federal government activities, you are so brain dead that you don’t realize you are (incorrectly) congratulating their transparency in getting rid of their transparency. You have an appalling logic deficit.
The event was “made public”. Sorry if Trump didn’t send you a personal email, barry.
But, you didn’t know about all of the corruption going on under Biden. That doesn’t bother you. You’re only concerned when corruption is being outed.
You might want to examine your own corruption. You seem to have a hard time accepting reality.
Do you want a “reality-check”? I seem to remember you fleeing from the last one….
“corruption going on under Biden”
None of which will ever be proved in court.
RLH, Biden pardoned hundreds and hundreds of the guilty.
Try to keep up.
“The event was “made public”. Sorry if Trump didn’t send you a personal email, barry.”
You’re so mendacious. You have no idea how the information was acquired – anonymous whistleblowers and the AGs themselves. The Trump administration made no announcements of any kind on these decisions to gut oversight of the federal government.
At least try to be honest sometimes, will you? You reek of falsehood.
Okay barry, it’s time for a reality-check:
When information is available to anyone interested, it has been “made public”.
Yes or no?
Just stop. You pong of deceit. You said the government was open about gutting oversight. You were wrong. Live with it. Stop digging. You’re just getting more crap on your shoes.
Hey Clint,
Barry called you a pong. What’s a pong? Is it an affectation?
barry, at least TRY to face reality. It’s okay to ask an adult for help. This is a learning activity. It’s a part of growing up.
When information is available to anyone interested, it has been “made public”.
True or false?
[Stephen, barry can’t face reality. Whenever I hit him with reality, he lashes out with hatred. Just like a typical Leftist, insults and false accusations are in their bag of tricks.]
Anybody who had the balls to investigate the government or tell the facts about government misdeeds during the previous Trump regime, is labeled ‘corrupt’.
Then they are fired or investigated.
It is truly weaponization of the government against any of its perceived enemies.
Which are on a long list that keeps on growing.
Do so called conservatives really support the government acting this way?
Reaganite conservatives should be appalled, and some of them are, but MAGA is fine with it and they have the megaphone.
Musk 2024: DOGE will cut $2 trillion
Musk March 2025: DOGE will cut $1 trillion
Musk April 2025: DOGE will cut $150 billion
Musk soon: DOGE will cost more.
stephen…”What are you going to say when the bond and stock markets melt down anyway?”
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I have never been a fan of stock markets. I learned as a young buck from a friend who was in the stock market just how devious it can be. Essentially, it is controlled by insiders even though they pay lip service to ‘insider trading’, claiming it is illegal.
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, a nod’s as good as a wink to a blind bat.
Wall Street crooks brought the US to its knees economically in the mid-2000 decade. They tried the culprits but rather than throw them in jail, Obama rewarded them by hiring them as advisors to his government. That was Obama’s method of fulfilling his promise to clean up Wall Street.
Re tariff’s. The US was once the greatest manufacturing nation on the planet, with their prowess going a long way to arming the Allies in WW II. Mind you, the Allies did not get the aid for free, they paid through the nose for it for decades.
A Japanese advisor to the Japanese forces, who had lived in the States, warned Japan not to mess with the US due to their ability to mass-manufacture goods, including weapons of war. Of course, in their arrogance, the Japanese military ignored that and got their butts kicked, and good.
These days, US corporations responsible for such home-based manufacturing, have joined a global clique that has diverted home-grown manufacturing elsewhere on the planet. It was cheaper for them to have goods made in China, India, and Asia in general. So much for making the US great, greatness to them is how much of a profit is in it for them.
Example. During WW II, Rockefellar was caught selling oil to the Nazis through his company Standard Oil. When Roosevelt dragged him onto the carpet to explain, his response was ‘free enterprise must prevail above all’.
Many corporations in both the US and Canada farm out their office jobs to the likes of India and the Philippines. When I call my cell phone provider, a company claiming to be proudly Canadian, I get to talk with someone in the Philippines. If I contact Microsoft, I am directed to India.
Trump is trying to solve this globalization by penalizing Allies like Canada via tariffs. What he should be doing is talking to his wealthy corporate buddies about bringing the manufacturing home again, but we know how that one goes. They would crucify him financially.
Don’t kid yourself Stephen, these tariffs are intended as a base for appeasing the wealthy corporate types. He is trying to reduce their tax loads and that is why billionaires like Musk have jumped on board. Although he claims to be anti-tariff, he is benefiting immensely while Yanks he is responsible for laying off are suffering.
And how about Trump’s insider trading? When he advised people to buy when the stock market tanked for a couple of days, do you not think he knew it would rebound? And how much money did he and his family make from it?
Trump is playing US citizens like an old fiddle, while he and his cronies get wealthier and the average Yanks pays for it.
tim s…”China is the exception. Some say that is bad. The fact is they have played their weak hand for the world to see. Trump still holds a good hand with good cards”.
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What weak hand? They are a major nuclear power with a significant armed force. You seem to be confused between the contexts of each country. China is a dictatorship and always has been a dictatorship. They have cheap labour and a huge labour force, so they can produce goods cheaply. As a dictatorship, they don’t particularly care about trade relationships with the US.
Furthermore, they have a population of about 1.4 billion people, roughly 3.75 time the population of the US.
The US, on the other hand, prides itself on being a democracy but it is actually administered and run by a small group of wealthy people. When Trump tries to get a deal with China, he is not representing the people of the US per se, but a few super-wealthy corporations.
By trying to broker a deal with China using right-wing deal-making practices, he is naively blustering because China doesn’t care.
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“Putin is in the process of playing his weak hand showing he does not want to end the war”.
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When Trump blusters about ending the war in Ukraine, he cannot without Russia’s agreement. They have said all along that their interest in the Ukraine is related to the millions of Russians trapped in the Ukraine by a mindless re-drawing of borders. Until that truth is recognized by the West, no deal is imminent. However, the West think the Russians are there due to mindless expansionism and as long as they retain that McCarthyist ideology, they cannot understand or talk to Putin.
The advantage Trump has is his willingness to talk to Putin. However, he is hampered by his inability to foster a deal without right-wing bs and with McCarthyists who will never see Russia as anything more than Pinko Commies.
Our problem with Russia and China is one of communication. Besides language, we are simply not talking the same language, the latter being vernacular for communication. Both Russia and China have immense problems that are being viewed through the eyes of Western capitalists who have neither the interest nor the ability to understand.
I watched an interview with Jamie Dimon. You may have heard of him. He says China has a lot of problems that are getting worse. The US has a very strong consumer economy. China does not. They absolutely rely on stealing other countries intellectual property and exports to the USA. Here are the facts:
China per capita GDP $12,600
USA per capita GDP $90,000
In a prolonged trade war China is more economically vulnerable, and the US is more politically vulnerable. The Chinese government could ride it out for a long time. Much less certain with the US government. Continued economic pain could flip congress. No such danger exists in China.
I don’t know about that. Trump can ride it out for 4 years. Then a Democrat can get elected and cave to China’s demands.
Yep, you can bet your life Trump doesn’t care what happens after him, or who suffers while he is in office. He’ll “ride it out” just fine.
Barry,
Did you know the Maryland Man was a wife beater? Do you feel gullible advocating for his return?
House Dems and Barry advocating for return of wife beater.
“Did you know the Maryland Man was a wife beater? Do you feel gullible advocating for his return?”
Where is this ‘information’ from Stephen?
Debase the constitution over gossip?
This is justice in MAGAmerica.
To answer your question, stephen, even the worst criminal should get their day in court. This idea used to be a pillar of the American ethos. The Trump administration is knocking such pillars over to build America in its image.
“Do you feel gullible advocating for his return?”
Where did you get that idea? Was it when I quoted the Supreme Court saying he should be returned and his deportation addressed in court?
SCOTUS Ruling: “The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”
Or have you thought whenever I’ve posted that ruling in quotation marks that I was quoting myself or someone else?
I am glad that you have commented on this, as I hoped you would when I said that in doing so you would…
“…be a good case study in strong confirmation bias, where conflicting information is so well filtered out that the person literally does not see evidence that is starkly contrary to their opinion.”
You have not disappointed. Your mindset blinds you to the SCOTUS ruling. You think it was me, not SCOTUS, that affirmed the return of Abrego Garcia.
This conversation isn’t about what you want or what I want, it’s not about Abrego Garcia, it’s not about personalities and politics, it is about the rule of law, and how the Trump administration treats it as an inconvenience rather than the bedrock of a democracy.
Nate,
From the DOJ, our Attorney General.
Kilmer had two separate domestic violence cases against him. He was stopped in 2022 for human trafficking. He ignored his court dates for separate offenses. Court Documents are available where his wife described how he punched and scratched her on her left eye and left her bleeding. She also has multiple photos of the bruises he has left on her on many occasions. This is your boy, Nate. Do you enjoy advocating for these illegal MS13 gansters?
Trump is following the rule of law. The criminal had a deportation order and he had no right to be here. It is the leftist judges who are deviating from the Constitution. Trump is doing his duty.
The deportation order is automatically issued along with a withholding order. It is a feature of immigration law that a withholding order cannot be issued without one, so both were issued by the judge on the same day. The withholding of removal order was in effect in 2025 and superseded the deportation order, which was a technicality the judge needed to adhere to in order to issue the withholding order.
The government (ICE and DoJ) in court filings has already admitted the deportation was done in error. SCOTUS ruling takes note of that.
Meanwhile administration officials have been outright lying about this case on camera, including, deplorably, the Attorney General.
And those Trump admin soundbytes are where you are getting your news from stephen, which is why you are misinformed.
Abrego Garcia was on a court order specifically NOT to be deported to el Salvador, and the government knew that but deported him anyway.
There is plenty of misinformation in the right wing press.
That’s why I provided the SCOTUS ruling, which your poor brain still cannot bring itself to notice, stephen.
Here it is again, should you be miraculously cured of your extreme confirmation bias.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf
Stephen, it sounds like in your view, a person’s Right to Due Process can be taken away if they have ever been accused of doing something wrong.
The government’s argument that it – and the court – is now powerless to do anything since the US does not have jurisdiction over el Salvador would set up an ominous precedent. From the statement accompanying the SCOTUS ruling:
“The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.”
The DoJ has never before been shaped to be a tool for the executive. It has finally been weaponized.
Gordo,
That’s a lot to digest. But, some of your stuff is old wives’ tales. John D. Rockefellar died in 37 and Std. Oil had been broken up long before that. I do know American Corporations probably sold oil to the Nazis until the War started. A lot of antisemitic Christians during that time. I don’t think Trump has a lot of billionaire friends besides Musk. Gates, Bezos and others always express how they dislike Trump.
stephen…just want to e clear that I am not taking a shot at you or most of the good folk who live south of the Canadian border. I am taking a shot only at the super-wealthy who think there is one law for them and another law for the rest of us.
I have no time for anyone who thinks his/her personal wealth interest comes before the best interest of the average citizen in a country. That’s especially true during war.
There were other Rockefellers after John D. who were still associated with Standard Oil during WW II. I don’t know which one Roosevelt hauled onto the carpet but whoever it was, he was not apologetic for selling oil to the Nazis. Apparently Teagle was running Standard Oil at the time and he was a Nazi admirer.
This article gives an overview of US companies dealing with Germany and Japan during both world wars.
https://libcom.org/article/how-allied-multinationals-supplied-nazi-germany-throughout-world-war-ii
“The Secrets of Standard Oil
p32
In 1941, Standard Oil of New Jersey was the largest petroleum corporation in the world. Its bank was Chase, its owners the Rockefellers. Its chairman, Walter C. Teagle, and its president, William S. Farish, matched Joseph J. Larkin’s extensive connections with the Nazi government.
p33
From the 1920s on Teagle showed a marked admiration for Germany’s enterprise in overcoming the destructive terms of the Versailles Treaty. His lumbering stride, booming tones, and clouds of cigar smoke became widely and affectionately known in the circle that helped support the rising Nazi party. He early established a friendship with the dour and stubby Hermann Schmitz of I.G. Farben, entertaining him frequently for lunch at the Cloud Room in the Chrysler Building, Teagle’s favorite Manhattan haunt of the late 1920s and the 1930s. Teagle also was friendly with the pro-Nazi Sir Henri Deterding of Royal Dutch-Shell, who agreed with his views about capitalist domination of Europe and the ultimate need to destroy Russia”.
From another article…
https://mises.org/mises-daily/rockefeller-morgan-and-war
“It should be clear that the name of the political party in power is far less important than the particular regimes financial and banking connections. The foreign-policy power for so long of Nelson Rockefellers personal foreign affairs adviser, Henry A. Kissinger, a discovery of the extraordinarily powerful RockefellerChase Manhattan Bank elder statesman John J. McCloy, is testimony to the importance of financial power as is the successful lobbying by Kissinger and Chase Manhattans head, David Rockefeller, to induce Jimmy Carter to allow the ailing shah of Iran into the US thus precipitating the humiliating hostage crisis”.
Roosevelt and the leftists love Hitler and Mussolini through the 1930’s. They were kindred spirits. The Nazis took their Nuremberg Laws from the Jim Crow Laws of the Democrat South. But, you’re right, a lot of people make money on war. Don’t disagree. Trump isn’t one of those. He’s a Teddy Roosevelt type, speak softly.
It is truly amazing how Trump and his government are obsessed with finding and rooting out anti-semitism.
Is this the same guy who has been so concerned obout censorship of extreme views on social media?
Is this the same guy who supported the neo-Nazi marchers in Charlotte chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’ as including some very fine people?
Is the same guy who has met with and been supported by so many ‘white supremacist’ leaders who are often aligned with neo-Nazi groups?
Truly bizarre.
“Roosevelt and the leftists love Hitler and Mussolini through the 1930s. They were kindred spirits”
Sure Stephen, that’s why FDR worked so hard to get America to support the UK against Nazi Germany well before we entered the war..
You have very strange ideas Stephen.
Nate,
You are as bad at history as you are at science. Hitler didn’t invade Poland until September of 1949. France and UK declared War about a month later. So, I didn’t say the last three months of the 30’s. I said through the 1930’s. Roosevelt’s ambassador still tried to keep UK from declaring War.
Fat finger. 1939.
This:
“FDR worked so hard to get America to support the UK against Nazi Germany well before WE entered the war”
Was accurate Stephen.
His Ambassador Kennedy was not aligned with FDR views on support for the UK, and was finally forced out in 1940.
the only thing Democrats love more than laws or taxes is War.
No, I said that wrong. Lefties love rules not laws. They don’t love the Constitution because it gets in the way of their rules.
“They dont love the Constitution because”
Yet what we see here that MAGAs believe the Constitution and the Bill of Rights can be set aside, when it advances their goals.
In the fog of a trade war: The Tariff Shockwave.
Ocean container bookings from March 24-31 to April 1-8:
Looking ahead to the rest of 2025: continued uncertainty and ongoing volatility.
Container bookings had already been dropping for a year.
BP Makes Deepwater Oil Discovery in Gulf of Mexico.
P.s.: https://ibb.co/Kj1BrxJD
This post is aimed at Barry, who has labeled my observation (as a lifelong Republican) that “The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance” as “ill-informed.”
Across the globe, observers with a critical perspective increasingly recognize the profound dysfunction of the Trump administration and the broader MAGA faction within the GOP. This faction, which once promised efficient governance that would foster innovation and modernize infrastructure, has instead delivered widespread institutional damage.
Rather than streamlining government, their approach has been marked by abrupt dismissals and a dismantling of state capacity-precisely the kind of degradation most likely to hinder innovation. In its place, unqualified and ideologically driven individuals have taken pride in undermining essential public services, including critical healthcare programs.
The cognitive dissonance required to justify the administration’s actions is unsustainable. Rarely has a government appeared so detached from empirical reality or so committed to promoting ideological narratives at odds with practical governance.
The authoritarian tendencies at the heart of MAGA were always likely to manifest in crude and counterproductive policies. The economic consequences of these policies-such as the imposition of tariffs-highlight the tangible costs of such mismanagement.
The Maga Wing is the Republican Party. The Neo Cons are about 3%.
The Maga Wing IS the Republican Party.
The empirical reality of the GOP coalition is as follows.
The MAGA-wing represents about 46% of the Republican party which consists of half “Populist Right” and half “Faith and Flag Conservatives.”
15% are “Committed Conservative” Republicans who are pro-business and staunch advocates of limited government and tolerate Trump but are more aligned with traditional Republican values than with MAGA.
18% are “Ambivalent Right” Republicans who are younger, less politically engaged, and hold more moderate views on social issues.
15% are “Stressed Sideliner” Republicans who are financially stressed and relatively unengaged with politics.
The margin of error of this analysis is 6%.
“that The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance as ill-informed.”
Doubtful that Barry meant that.
More likely a misread.
Yes, it’s a misread.
My point was that you cannot use federal expenditure of the first 3 months of Trump’s term to make a claim about the Trump administration’s competency, as those costings are baked in, and virtually none of it includes extra expenditure by the executive
Furthermore, increases are not unusual, as the outlays from social security and healthcare tend to grow – a significant problem for the US.
To corroborate, federal expenditure increased by $350 billion over the 6 month period October 2022 to March 2023 compared to the same period the year before.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58995/html
The federal expenditure during the first 3 months of the Trump administration tells us nothing about the Trump administration’s governance.
I’ve posted voluminously on the Trump administration. I think it is the worst in US history, for many reasons, and a danger to the US and the world.
Barry, you misread my use of the term Governance.
1/ You don’t seem to understand that by Governance I mean the exercise of public authority, management of public resources, and the pursuit of societal goals, not just “expenditure by the executive.”
2/ You linked to the CBO. The CBO does not track daily federal spend; that is the purview of the daily Treasure statement which tracks more than 100 spend categories.
The daily Treasury statement shows DOGE savings in a handful of the categories it tracks in near real time.
Spend at the TSA was essentially flat for several weeks in February and March. Cumulatively since Trump took office, the agency spent $22 million less.
At the Education Department, spending has dropped roughly $4 billion.
Musk said at the most recent cabinet meeting that the net effect of DOGE on federal spending for the current fiscal year will be $ 150 billion. It will take time for those savings to accumulate insofar as we can track it in the daily Treasury statement and will also depend on the administration prevailing in court over pending litigations, but overall, they will be small.
3/ A proper real-time evaluation of the administration’s governance capability involves continuous monitoring across fiscal, institutional, and social dimensions. The requirement to show the public how federal funding is disbursed to agencies (my original question) provides a direct window into fiscal activity and complements macroeconomic and programmatic assessments with granular expenditure data.
Please stop mischaracterizing my observations.
I understood what you meant by governance. Here is your entire post that I responded to.
“This is one reason they’re trying to hide federal expenditures:
https://ibb.co/DH2sZ4xN
So far, about USD 150 billion more has been spent in 2025 than in 2024.
The MAGA-wing of the GOP is incapable of effective governance”
You are saying that federal expenditures in the first three months of the Trump administration demonstrate their incompetence re governance, are you not?
My response stands. Either you misunderstood my response or you misremembered what you posted here.
“The daily Treasury statement shows DOGE savings in a handful of the categories it tracks in near real time….”
You showed none of this in either of your posts. You only linked to a graph of total fed expenditure over a few years. See above.
“You linked to the CBO. The CBO does not track daily federal spend…”
I posted it to demonstrate that increases of $150 billion a quarter are not unusual, and are actually normal; which was further to the point that the first three months of the year represent baked-in expenditures from the previous govt, congressional appropriations, social security increases etc etc. They do not reflect the current administration’s “governance.”
I think you are overly expanding my narrower point.
“You are saying that federal expenditures in the first three months of the Trump administration demonstrate their incompetence re governance, are you not?”
I am saying that IMO one reason The Trump administration has broken the law [again] by taking down a website meant to show the public how federal funding is disbursed to agencies is because their much touted DOGE savings for FY25 are insignificant, and they’d rather we didnt see it in real time. More evidence of incompetent public governance.
Please stop mischaracterizing my observations.
As I said, I agreed with your first post, and I’ll continue to point out that, contrary to your following post, the first 3 months of federal expenditure will not show any savings or spendings due to the Trump administration. The touted savings from shutting down or downsizing federal agencies won’t show up as of yet, because the running costs are baked in. The expenditure spigot doesn’t suddenly turn off, and the meagre sum of savings from layoffs won’t show up because that costs money to effectuate,and a significant number of those fired will have payouts, not to mention those that took the option to keep being paid until later in the year if they left (which most would have done anyway).
There is no question the burden of proof for claimed savings ($130 billion now) lies with DOGE, but they can credibly argue that their savings will become apparent later in the year, as their activities are slowed by court cases, and much of the spending of programs that they have downsized or terminated is already appropriated on a multi-month basis, and it takes time for the hose to run dry. The administration can credibly argue that increased, emergency spending on immigration and other promised initiatives have temporarily offset savings elsewhere.
The iniquities surrounding DOGE are numerous, with its still unclarified legal status, significant lack of transparency, and conflicting representation of what it is, and how its employees are defined within the framework of federal laws. Even now it is a shadowy agency that seems to be operating outside the law, with nbo clarity as to who leads it or who is ultimately responsible for it.
But to claim the increase in federal expenditure reflects administration competency, or that it shows DOGE’s claims to be hollow is premature. Even the next 3 months could be argued to be too soon. If by August we see no real savings, then there is a more credible claim that the hoses haven’t run dry, and the touted savings have not materialised, whether because they were fictional, or because they were offset by the incompetence of the administration, or both.
And yes, shutting down the website disclosing spending is illegal, and entirely in keeping with the Trump administration’s efforts to shield themselves from scrutiny.
“I’ll continue to point out that, contrary to your following post, the first 3 months of federal expenditure will not show any savings or spendings due to the Trump administration.”
As I’ve said before, the Daily Treasury Statement shows that spending at the TSA was essentially flat for several weeks in February and March, and cumulatively since Trump took office, the agency spent $22 million less.
At the Education Department, spending has dropped roughly $4 billion.
So, contrary to your opinion, some savings due to the Trump administration’s DOGE actions are already showing in the daily data.
I have said all I’m going to say to you about this subject.
Is this the end of winter in the northern US?
https://i.ibb.co/2Y78080s/gfs-hgt-trop-NA-f120.png
Now we see the Trump administration mobilizing, weaponizing, multiple government agencies to harass Harvard University. Now the IRS and Homeland Security are getting into the act, as never before.
Why? What is the purpose?
Why does our government need to f*k with a private university who has contributed so much to our society?
Why does our government feel the need to micromanage the teaching and admin at a private university?
Why is our government putting the brakes on many beneficial scientific endeavors?
Why is the IRS taking direction from the President to audit his political enemies?
Who is ok with this and why?
Sorry Nate, but your beliefs don’t match reality, as usual.
So settle down, it’s going to be alright.
Again no signal, just noise in a Clint post.
The signal is there, child Nate. It’s just that you don’t recognize it.
Remember, you cult kids can’t admit the ball is NOT spinning, just as you can’t admit that ice can NOT radiatively boil water.
In your world, “noise” is the reality.
FYI,
“But federal law bars the president or other senior officials of the executive branch from directly or indirectly requesting that the I.R.S. investigate or audit specific organizations.”
Do we want rule of law or not?
Yes.
What you children don’t understand is the “rule of law” must apply regardless of political beliefs. IOW Biden, and his pardoned cronies, should be in jail.
You can’t accept that reality, just as you can’t accept that a ball-on-a-string is NOT spinning.
The difference between MAGAClint and those who actually believe in the rule of law is that he wants to see his enemies in jail, while the law-abiders want to see their enemies in court.
Trump is on the record saying he wants to deport criminals who are US citizens to foreign prisons.
The MAGA fools have no idea that this administration is halfway down the road to all out authoritarianism. They are now ignoring the Supreme Court on the same issue of deportation. Turns out 90% of the Venezuelans deported to el Salvador were never charged with a crime, much less convicted, and gang membership was assigned by the government without any real evidence (eg, “gang tattoos” that weren’t tattoos of any gang).
When the government ignores the law, the citizenry should be very worried.
Barry the Australian keeps advocating for these wife beaters and criminals. Barry, why doesn’t Australia take them? You have all that wide open space down there on that continent of yours.
stephen the MAGA fanatic no longer supports the rule of law..
MAGA has found this never charged, never convicted guy guilty in the court of gossip. Meanwhile the illegal actions of the Trump administration are met with a roar of approval.
“why doesn’t Australia take them?”
We’re not in the habit of accepting bribes to take people in under false pretences. You need a friendly dictator for that. In our country you’re innocent until proven guilty in a court.
In the US you’re guilty when the government says so. The new Republican party is apparently aligned with this new version of justice. That’s quite the change from their previous values.
Barry,
Why is it OK for Australia to have strict immigration rules that they violently enforce but not the US? Is it rules for thee and not for me?
The Left loves murderers, assassins, rapists, perverts, arsonists, illegal aliens, drug dealers, and gangs.
But, the Left hates MAGA, Christians, Jews, and Realists.
Clint R
Do you have evidence for your accusations about the left or is it just you smearing people with your bucket of shit? The right seems to smear people with zero evidence. Why do you do this?
Norman, you can’t accept reality.
So quit stalking me.
The left hates anyone who stands in the way of their agenda. but, why do leftists like Barry, Nate and Norman love the radical Islamists, murderers? What is the connection there? Islamists have a very similar Marxists worldview. Israel is the exploiter and the Islamists are the revolutionaries. They revolt against the oppressors, the colonizers, evil.
“Why is it OK for Australia to have strict immigration rules that they violently enforce but not the US?”
Why are you changing the subject?
This is about the rule of law. The US government broke the law. SCOTUS has ruled on it. SCOTUS also noted that the government’s defence means that it could deport even US citizens without due process.
This should outrage any red-blooded conservative.
No surprise that MAGA likes the sound of jackboots. The whole MAGA movement is RINO.
Why are MAGAs like Stephen so ready to set aside people’s Constitutional Rights, if they are ‘bad people’, because the Ends Justify the Means….
… then turn around and claim to ‘love the Constitution’?
..and moan that is WE that don’t love the Constitution enough, when we assert that even ‘bad people’ have rights.
I’ve been out shoveling the sidewalk, we got 3″ of snow overnight, what else has been going on?
How’s the tariff war against Fentanyl going? Did we win that yet? Good. Good. I guess we really showed those China dudes who’s boss!
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Dow 30: -527.16.
Mack Trucks laying off 250-300 workers at Lehigh Valley Ops.
MAGA shooter kills 2, wounds 6 at FSU.
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You are one depraved psychopath.
re: Harvard and other Universities
“Erwin Chemerinsky, a constitutional scholar, said federal law is clear that Harvard must be given a hearing and the government must clear many hurdles before money is taken away. This includes finding specific violations of law and giving 30 days notice to both chambers of Congress”
“The Trump administration followed none of these procedures as to Harvard, or any of the other universities where there has been a cutoff of funds, Mr. Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California, Berkeley, said in an email.”
Whether its people or institutions, under this President you can be deemed guilty and punished, with no due process.
Purging the government of oversight, making the justice department a weapon, ignoring the rule of law, using emergency powers to bypass normal regulations and due process, weakening the press, appointing loyalists above expertise, conducting various operations without transparency.
Trump supporters are sleep-walking into authoritarianism. They really don’t see it. Their strong man tells them he’s getting things done and that’s all they need to cheer.
Are you describing the Australian government during Covid?
Not remotely. Are you changing the subject because you cannot disagree with what I wrote?
What an adolescent retort from you – “He did it first!” Not realizing you are tacitly agreeing with me.
Stephen, every time you attack the messengers, you are telling us that you have no rational argument against the messages in their posts.
Keep it up.
The faster rotating planet is warmer, because it absorbs more heat at solar lit HEMISPHERE, than the slower rotating one.
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The unpredictable, malicious, vindictive Trumping Boy and his 360 degree all-destructive gang will quickly have to learn that even the worst and most stupid misgovernment the United States ever had to experience must unconditionally obey the orders of the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/041925zr_c18e.pdf
” The Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this Court. ”
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I can’t remember a Supreme Court ever striking such a harsh, almost rude tone.
Learn, baby Don, learn! Before it’s too late.
As usual, you have no idea what your are posting. Either you are being dishonest, or someone gave you a link you did not research. This type of order is so common, they are issued almost daily.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/ordersofthecourt/24
Further to Bindidon’s post above, another court, presided over by a Regan appointed judge, has just issued a scathing rebuke of the Trump administration as it sought a stay on the case of Abrego Garcia.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/docs/pdfs/251404order.pdf
It’s entirety should be read, but the opening makes some salient points, already mentioned here:
“It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or “mistakenly” deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong, right?
The Supreme Courts decision remains, as always, our guidepost. That decision rightly requires the lower federal courts to give “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs”. That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed from public view. It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcias return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in accordance with the Supreme Courts decision should extend a genuine deference.”
I made reference above to the American ethos of the rule of law. There is an echo of that in this ruling.
“It is, as we have noted, all too possible to see in this case an incipient crisis, but it may present an opportunity as well. We yet cling to the hope that it is not naive to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos.”
I think the court is much mistaken, unfortunately.
Thanks for this deeper search, barry.
It will of course soon be discarded as ‘leftist’ by the usually dumb MAGAmaniacs.
barry
You wrote
” I think the court is much mistaken, unfortunately. ”
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I don’t agree.
After having read the entire judgment of the 4th Circuit’s Court of Appeals, I am convinced that, from the first sentence to the last, it is an amazing model of diplomatic skill, designed to anticipate any adverse reaction from the Supreme Court through balanced, forward-looking reasoning.
Wait and see.
The part where I am skeptical of the court’s read of the matters:
“We yet cling to the hope that it is not naive to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos.”
But look at the language. They are striving hard to find that glimmer of hope. This administration’s flouting of the law is far worse than Nixon’s.
It shows you how far some of our courts have fallen. Garcia was an illegal resident wife beater with a deportation order. He was sent away as he should have been.
Your sources lie to you.
“illegal resident”: False – Abrego Garcia still has legal authority to reside in the US.
His withholding order supersedes the deportation order, and indeed the judge who issued the withholding of removal order was technically required to issue a deportation order to el Salvador in order to issue the withholding of removal order. IOW, a withholding of removal order cannot be issued without a deportation order.
“wife beater”: His wife took out a precautionary restraining order, said they had worked their troubles out through counseling, and describes Abrego Garcia as a loving father and husband, decrying DHS characterisations as untrue.
“deportation order”: True, but it was not in effect, superseded by a withholding of removal order, and ICE knew that, as did the DoJ, when they deported him, breaking the law.
SCOTUS has just issued an extraordinary ruling that all deportations under the Alien Enemies Act must cease immediately, and a Regan appointed judge has denied the administration’s appeal against court decisions on Abrego Garcia while issuing a detailed, scathing rebuke of the government extrajudicial actions.
There is nothing wrong with the courts on this matter. The government has broken the law and denied constitutionally mandated due process rights. SCOTUS confirms. You simply wish to be blind and deaf to that.
It doesn’t mean Trump can’t continue deportations and it doesn’t mean Trump won’t be able to use AEA to deport. The Supreme Court just wants to establish some guidelines, all of which Trump is already using. Won’t change anything.
Also, the withholding order was nullified as soon as Garcia was identified as MS13.
Abused women often protect their abusers. Did you watch the interview? When he asked her if she was afraid of her husband she wouldn’t answer the question. Michael Strahan ended the interview with, OK heard enough here.
Again, Stephen you keep trying to convince us that this person might be a ‘bad hombre’.
But all if that misses the point, that such a person still has a right to due process.
And since none of the accusations resulted in an either an inctment or conviction, they are purely accusations.
Where in the Constitution does it say you can be punished for mere accusations?
“Also, the withholding order was nullified as soon as Garcia was identified as MS13.”
No. Completely and utterly wrong.
There was no withholding order or deportation order when Abrego Garcia faced a judge who ruled that the evidence he was a gang member was credible and because of that denied him bond.
There was no withholding order or deportation order when Abrego Garcia appealed this ruling and lost.
When he was granted a withholding of removal order on October 10, 2019, after these first two hearings, he was then given a deportation order, which was required for the withholding of removal order to be issued. Until that point his case was in limbo.
Furthermore, the government did not contest his withholding order at the time, though it was at liberty to do so. The government had an opportunity to prove his gang membership and get rid of the withholding order, but it did not.
The government was also at liberty in 2025 to contest the active withholding order, but did not. Even though the government knew the withholding order was active, as testified in court.
Your right-wing outlets are not telling you the truth. But they are most certainly telling you what you want to hear.
No criminal charge against him, let alone a conviction, no proof he was a gang member, no due process followed, and instead defiance of a court order to prevent him being deported to the very country he was deported to.
The Trump administration broke the law on hearsay and almost certainly deported an innocent person to a gulag.
You, stephen, wipe your arse with the constitution every time you defend this administration.
An immigration judge made a finding of fact that he is a gang member. Case closed.
Where from Stephen? Show us please.
“An immigration judge made a finding of fact that he is a gang member. Case closed.”
Nope, that’s not what happened. The judge found the evidence credible enough to deny bond. It was never formally established he was a gang member. On review in recent court filings it turns out the evidence was flimsy. Hearsay and hoodies.
But this is not the point. The guy was on a court order not to be returned to el Salvador. The government has admitted they deported him due to an administrative error. This was confirmed by both ICE and the DoJ.
stephen, the constitution clearly says that all “persons” within the jurisdiction of the US have the right to due process. That includes people that entered the US unlawfully.
Where in the constitution does it say that certain classes of people within US jurisdiction are not entitled to due process? This goes against the founding principles of the US, so where do you get this idea from? Some source is giving you the false impression that the constitution can be overridden by the president.
I don’t know why people like Stephen hate the Constitution for giving ‘bad’ people rights.
I don’t know why he believes Trump can determine who is ‘bad’ and dole at punishment, without a judge or jury.
That’s what King George did, and why those first shots were fired in Lexington and Concord 250 years ago, yesterday.
Within the jurisdiction is not clear. Is an illegal within the jurisdiction? So, several million people run over the border and they get to tie up our court system for centuries? We don’t have enough courts or judges to try all these cases. If they are identified as an illegal with no visa, they get deported. Case closed.
I listen to Dershowitz a lot. He believes they get some due process but as in a review by ab immigration judge but they don’t get to tie up our system any more than that. He also believes the Alien and Enemies Act as Trump is applying it has merit.
We should treat our immigrants as Australia treats its immigrants.
I do know why people like Nate love bad people as long as they help advance their Marxist agenda.
“I do know why people like Nate love bad people as long as they help advance their Marxist agenda.”
Stephen, this just shows that you weirdly think accused people should not get Constitutional rights.
You don’t actually believe in the Constitution, then.
Dershowitz? Really?
The guy who made his name defending some very bad people, like OJ Simpson, and Jeffery Epstein.
He of all people understands that even bad people have a right to due process.
Then why can’t you, Stephen?
“Within the jurisdiction is not clear. Is an illegal within the jurisdiction? So, several million people run over the border and they get to tie up our court system for centuries? We don’t have enough courts or judges to try all these cases. If they are identified as an illegal with no visa, they get deported. Case closed.”
And this is how you justify defying the constitution.
From the 14th amendment:
“…nor shall any State deprive any person within its jurisdiction of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”
SCOTUS has uniformly upheld the constitution on this. Everyone within the US (and its territories, including GITMO), regardless of status, must be afforded due process under the law.
Are you sure it is me who needs a civics class? This is one of the fundamental values of the US under the constitution.
This is what listening to conservative sources gets you – a bad education.
Barry,
You don’t know what in the hell you are talking about. The 14th Amendment does not apply to illegals. Illegals in the country get due process from the Executive Branch. They have a hearing from an immigration judge who is an executive official not a judge from the judicial branch. Due process for an illegal is a few questions from an Executive Official. The President has the authority to suspend habeas for an illegal. Go back to school or better yet go back to Australia. The Supreme Court’s Friday night ruling has upended over 100 years of judicial precedent. Not even sure if they even have the power to do this. Stay tuned.
You really have no idea. And SCOTUS has ruled that Abrego Garcia needs the due process he was denied.
“The 14th Amendment does not apply to illegals.”
Yes it does.
FYI, even DoJ officials must adhere to due process when determining deportation cases. It appears that most or all of those deported were given no notice, no hearing, no opportunity to contest. They were illegally denied due process. The government in all its briefings has never indicated that the deportees were given any kind of hearing or normal process. The exception to this is under expedited deportation, which doesn’t apply to Abrego Garcia, and also includes some limited due process (often ignored in practise).
However, the deportations were conducted under the Alien Enemies Act, which requires due process, even of alien enemies. The claim of AEA powers is almost certainly itself illegal, which is why various courts, and potentially why SCOTUS, have issued a stay on deportations.
Trump Officials Blame Mistake for Setting Off Confrontation with Harvard.
After the Trump administration made it impossible for Harvard University to say “no,” they are now saying “it was a mistake.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.html?unlocked_article_code=1.A08.GUc4.IOalnrHNXLuy&smid=url-share
There are UNCONFIRMED reports that, to manage through a federal funding shortfall, Harvard’s endowment has begun selling the liquid components of its portfolio i.e. stocks, with private equity to follow.
Is was a mistake to elect Trump in the first place.
Aren’t you a Brit? It is going to take someone like Trump to save your sorry asses again when you get yourselves into a War. So, you think we should have Harris as President? You Brits would have felt so much safer, right?
You’ve got to be joking. NATO mandates US defence of Britain in the case of attack. Neither Harris nor Trump would be developing the strategy for that defence, they would only sign off on it or not.
Trump has already shown his unreliability and weakness with Ukraine/Russia and his resistance to NATO. He is in no way the top choice of US presidents for international peacekeeping.
Agreed. However, the alternative was worse. The Democrats were introducing a politically-correct regime that would surely have destroyed the nation. The Dems are the only reason he got elected. Even at that, he won the popular vote by only a few percent.
Sometimes, something bad has to happen to show people the error of their ways. I think many Dems now get it that this ‘progressive’ notion is wrong-headed. Although Hitler was seriously bad for Germany, since his overthrow, Germany has flourished and the rest of the world has hopefully learned a valuable lesson.
I think this flirtation with Trumpism will serve to remind the US, and the world, the danger of too much power given to someone with delusions of grandeur.
Trump is thumbing his nose at the Constitution and the Courts. How much will US citizens take before revolting?
Gordo,
So why has Trump’s popularity gone up? There are Democrats I know personally who hated Trump before the election and are now cheering him on. You have your head up Trudeau’s arse.
Would have been much more like business as usual with Harris. The Dems like their corporate sponsors just as much as the Republicans, but they’re the not crazy option.
The movement against progressiveness (call it wokeness if you like) was all smoke and no fire. Republicans saw an opportunity to whip up outrage and went to the races with it. The only real issues were sports and shared bathrooms, and that smoke was fanned out of all proportion to the small fire. The rest was harmless.
Back in the real world:
“Trumps handling of tariffs and inflation nosedives his economic approval rating to the rock bottom of his entire presidential career”
https://fortune.com/article/trump-tariffs-inflation-approval-rating-lowest-of-presidency/
Harmless my ass. It was designed to inculcate Marxist ideology into the minds of everyone, especially the youth. We know who you are Barry.
Nate,
Wrong. The US’s military might is only as strong as its Commander in Chief. Harris is a dumpling.
That brainwashing sure has worked a treat on you, stephen. Marxist ideology, eh? What tommyrot. It was about being kind to minorities. “Love thy neighbour,” too zealously pushed at times. But moral puritanism is not Marxism. Sheesh.
Marxist business as usual.
Barry and Nate argue in the name of the Constitution but despise the Constitution. Their Marxist aim is the destruction of the Constitution. Barry is understandable. He is a Marxist from Australia. Nate is a Marxist from somewhere. Apparently from Pennsylvania. Staggers the imagination.
More slandering messengers when unable to argue rationally against the messages Stephen..
The Biden Administration let millions of illegals into the country during their four years. That was truly unconstitutional and illegal. The American people booted him out of office and gave Trump a mandate to return these criminals to where they came from. Now we have Australian leftists like Barry and Nate claiming Trump is being unconstitutional. Why? It is in the interest of these global Marxists for Donald Trump to fail. They don’t give a rats behind about the Constitution. They aren’t concerned about liberty. They hate liberty. The only thing they love is their Marxist agenda.
You are having a meltdown, Stephen, out of frustration no doubt.
Nate,
Your only message is Marxist ideology.
Don’t be ridiculous, stephen, There are no Marxists on this board. Gordon is the only one here who openly favours a socialist (not Marxist) polity.
I’ll take the Australian democratic model, remove the monarchy, maintain judicious regulation of capitalism to keep it healthily competitive, civically responsible, and to prevent monopolies. I’d rewrite the constitution to include bills of rights. I’d make all appointments to the judiciary done by the bar, not the state (which is mostly the case), and retain the independent Electoral Commission, which sets electoral boundaries and runs federal and state elections.
As much as possible I would remove private financing of political parties and campaigns. Government salaries would be modest, and there must be strong, independent oversight of government operations with transparency as to funding and decisions, including the bidding processes for contracting of works.
Where do I register on the Marxometer?
“The Biden Administration let millions of illegals into the country during their four years. That was truly unconstitutional and illegal.”
Could you please cite the constitution to demonstrate why an influx of unlawful immigrants is “unconstitutional?”
You cannot. You are just drawing a silly inference from the miasma of misinformation you’ve been given. The constitution doesn’t speak about immigration at all.
“The American people booted him out of office and gave Trump a mandate to return these criminals to where they came from.”
Trump certainly came to power on the back of a promise of reducing immigration. His rhetoric of them all being “criminals” is patently false. It is not a criminal act to to enter the US unlawfully.
And this is precisely where Trump’s poisonous rhetoric succeeded. He turned what are mostly people fleeing poverty of persecution into dangerous criminals coming to molest the United States. And it was easy to do because some fraction of those people are criminals.
But when you are filled with fear and hate, distinctions like this, and that illegal entry is a civil, not criminal violation, get lost in the righteous outrage. And in that charged up state of righteousness people will permit their leaders to commit all sorts of wrongs as long as they are seeming to solve the matter that stoked the bile in the first place.
This is really who you are right now. It’s why you won’t cite the constitution, why you have multiply ignored the SCOTUS ruling on Abrego Garcia agreeing he needs to be returned, why you are calling people who point out the illegality of all this Marxists.
Because if you were drawn into examining the law and the constitution you would not be able to excuse the Trump administration so easily.
In your defence, though, there is still a glimmer of respect for the law. If you really didn’t care if Trump is breaking the law, you would not be avoiding the above, you would just openly say you don’t care. So there is hope for you, but not for Trump. He truly does not care about the law. For him it is an impediment, nothing more.
Section III Article II genius.
As I said, there is nothing in the constitution about immigration, not even in Article 2 Sec 3.
So you must mean “…he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…”
Which would mean that you are saying the three Biden immigration policies that were struck down or halted in the courts means he was acting unconstitutionally.
Is this what you are saying, stephen? That when a court rules against the president’s policies, that means the president has acted unconstitutionally?
Because I have news for you.
You are arguing about something with which you know very little about or are reading talking points from the left. The Supreme Court has said repeatedly for a century that there is no place for judicial review in immigration matters. The Executive Branch controls the border, period. The left is using the judicial branch to get protection from the American People who want Trump to do what he is doing.
I cannot. You just got bitch slapped because you don’t know what you are talking about, again.
“The Supreme Court has said repeatedly for a century that there is no place for judicial review in immigration matters.”
Oh boy, have you got that wrong.
“Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678 (2001), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States. The court ruled that the plenary power doctrine does not authorize the indefinite detention of immigrants under order of deportation whom no other country will accept. To justify detention of immigrants for a period longer than six months, the government was required to show removal in the foreseeable future or special circumstances…
The [Supreme] Court dismissed the government’s “plenary power” argument, holding that aliens present in the United States (including unlawfully present aliens) received due process protection that was not available to aliens seeking entry at the border.”
This applies even at GITMO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadvydas_v._Davis
“On June 12, 2008, Justice Kennedy delivered the opinion for the 54 majority, holding that the prisoners had a right to the writ of habeas corpus under the United States Constitution (and in particular the Suspension Clause) and that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was an unconstitutional suspension of that right. The ruling challenged the government’s assertion of unchecked executive power, emphasizing that such authority cannot override the fundamental protections guaranteed by the Constitution. The Court applied the Insular Cases, by the fact that the United States, by virtue of its complete jurisdiction and control, maintains de facto sovereignty over this territory, while Cuba retained ultimate sovereignty over the territory, to hold that the aliens detained as enemy combatants on that territory were entitled to the writ of habeas corpus protected in Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boumediene_v._Bush
This was the case more than 100 year ago:
“Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228 (1896), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court found that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution forbid the imprisonment at hard labor without a jury trial for noncitizens convicted of illegal entry to or presence in the United States.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Wing_v._United_States
Where are you getting your info from?
While we’re at it, let’s quote from the 1953 Act that governs legal proceedings with respect to deportations:
1) General orders of removal
Judicial review of a final order of removal (other than an order of removal without a hearing pursuant to section 1225(b)(1) of this title) is governed only by chapter 158 of title 28, except as provided in subsection (b) and except that the court may not order the taking of additional evidence under section 2347(c) of such title.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1252%20edition:prelim)
(Chapter 158 of Title 28 is the US Code governing judicial appeals to the fed)
Hit the wrong key. It’s the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act.
You’re arguing apples vs. oranges. Those cases have no applicability to these matters. Definitely not wikipedia.
Those judicial proceedings are within the Executive Branch. Not the Judical Branch.
You boob. Immigration courts are not Article II courts. The EOIR is under the direction of the Attorney General.
Here we get to the heart of the matter.
You are implying that the DoJ is not subject to due process or legislation. That EOIR is somehow above the law.
This is entirely wrong – but worse, you are trying to argue in favour of an authoritarian executive.
This is the sick place you find yourself in – that the presidency and federal agencies are above the law set down in the constitution and legislation.
You are trying to explain how the executive branch can be a dictatorship.
The president – and the DoJ – does not make law. The president executes laws. The laws are the province of the constitution and congress.
“Article II court” – there is no such thing. You are very confused.
Article III covers the judicial branch. Article I empowers congress to create other courts. Article II empowers the president to make appointments.
Actually – screw this. I am giving an American MAGAtype civics lessons. You don’t know what you are talking about, you are parroting the government and right wing outlets.
SCOTUS – a predominantly conservative high court – has ruled AGAINST the Trump administration on its deportations.
Do you realise that?
No, you don’t. Because you heard the lie, which pleases you, and you can’t face the truth when it is shown you.
Your mind goes btzzzt!! whenever conservative commentators and judges criticises the Trump administration for breaking the law. You either lock it out of your mind or throw a catch-all “they’re broken” comment to avoid dealing with the truth.
You are a useful idiot. Wake up. the US presidency has gone rogue.
This is not the usual to and fro between the executive and the judiciary. This is exceptional. The Trump administration is voiding due process regarding immigration, and then ignoring court orders when the courts insist they follow it.
If you want different rules, fine, tell your congresscritter to initiate a bill. Until then the executive is not a dictatorship (yet), and the DoJ and EOIR are bound to execute the laws as they are, not make them up.
Which is why the DoJ keeps losing in court. Including the Supreme Court of the United States. They are not following the law.
“reading talking points from the left”
Absolutely not. The US news media is mostly severely polarised. I check everything I read. I have been looking at the constitution, legislation, and the various court rulings pertaining to Abrego Garcia in our discussion, including the three court rulings in 2019.
YOU, stephen, are not doing that, or barely. I think I goaded you into actually checking stuff just recently. Hopefully. You have to get out of the right wing echo chamber. I abandoned CNN and MSNBC (for example) as credible sources long ago. It took them about 20 years to catch up with Fox News as ultra partisan news services. But they caved and have followed the Fox model.
Get out of the echo chamber. You have the internet. Use it wisely.
Barry,
People don’t just get to jump over the fence and yell, Constitution, Constitution!
They are protected by the Constitution but they don’t get to tie up our courts. There is due process but it is not in Article 2 courts. They see a Judge unless they are terrorists or gang members then ICE can send them packing right away. Their country of origin will take them, period.
If the executive can dispense with due process just by claiming someone is a terrorist or criminal without having to prove it, then the administration is a lawless dictatorship.
It’s as simple as that.
You don’t realise it, but this is what you are defending. You actually believe that due process is suspended whenever the administration decides it is.
If I’m wrong about this, explain why I’m wrong. And don’t duck this challenge. It is germane to the whole discussion.
Barry,
Yes, the President can suspend habeas for certain alien individuals. This isn’t tyranny. He was elected as our President. This is our system and is Constitutional.
Yes, I mean not article III court. This is an Article II court. It is under the Executive Branch.
Barry,
These terrorists and thugs have very little legal standing. They entered our country illegally and only aim is to spread their criminal activities into our country. Why are you defending them? Why are you protecting them? Why? Because you hate Trump, he stands in your way, and it advances your leftist agenda.
The EOIR isn’t above the law. It was established to give illegals some due process which is more than most of them get from their home countries. But, they don’t get to come here and abuse our people and disrupt our system.
“These terrorists and thugs have very little legal standing.”
The guy we have been discussing has been here 12 years, is employed and is a good worker, is married to a citizen, and they have children, and he has not been charged or convicted of any crimes.
But you believe the gov propaganda calling him a terrorist and a thug.
Reminds me of the many German people who were told again and again by their government that Jews were thugs and subhuman, and finally many accepted the removal of their rights, and worse.
“The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”
Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution
Article 1 describes congressional powers. The constitution does not give the president the right to suspend habeas corpus.
You have cited Article II that instructs the president to faithfully execute law.
SCOTUS has already ruled that the deportees can sue under habeas corpus in the territory in which they are held. SCOTUS also notes that the government agrees that AEA detainees should be afforded due process and judicial review.
IOW, SCOTUS and the Trump administration flatly contradict your assertion – when they are in court. They lie about it in public.
SCOTUS:
“The Government expressly agrees that “TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.” Reply in Support of Application To Vacate 1. “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). So, the detainees are entitled to notice and opportunity to be heard “appropriate to the nature of the case.” Mullane v. Central Hanover Bank & Trust Co., 339 U. S. 306, 313 (1950). More specifically, in this context, AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs.”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf
You’re welcome to tell the government and SCOTUS that they have the law all wrong.
They do get due process.
They get habeas relief – SCOTUS says so. See ruling above. The president cannot suspend that. Congress may do so in the event of an invasion/declaration of war.
“These terrorists and thugs have very little legal standing. They entered our country illegally and only aim is to spread their criminal activities into our country. Why are you defending them?”
I’m not defending them, I’m defending the rule of law.
Unlike you I haven’t been sucked in by the lies from the Trump administration. Some fraction of illegal immigrants are criminals.
If the Trump administration is right about them being criminals, then it should be able to demonstrate it. This is what it has not done, and was not willing to do. SCOTUS just forced them to.
Anti-Tariff Declaration.
In an “anti-tariff declaration,” that as of Sunday morning has been signed by more than 1,000 people, the writers warn that the timeline to undo the Trump administration’s “incoherent and damaging policies” on trade is narrowing.
Some of the high-profile signatories of the anti-tariff declaration include the economist and former Republican Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, and N. Gregory Mankiw, the chair of the Council of Economic Advisors under President George W. Bush.
The signatories were especially critical of Trump’s “reciprocal” tariffs. “The ‘reciprocal’ tariff rates being threatened and imposed by the United States upon other countries are calculated using an erroneous and improvised formula with no basis in economic reality,” the letter reads.
https://anti-tariff.org/
It is difficult to believe that Phil Gramm would be a signatory to something so idiotic. Congress acquiesced to the President the power of the tariff a long time ago. Why didn’t Gramm get that reversed when he was in Congress? This isn’t a seizure and it isn’t unconstitutional. More of Ark’s psychopathic propaganda.
Professor Mankiw (one of the signatories of the Anti-Tariff Declaration), in his textbook titled Principles of Macroeconomics, uses a parable to illustrate the benefits of free trade. This parable, recounted below, is updated for the current political climate.
When have we had free trade? Right after WWII.
That reminds me, Ark. Neither you, nor any of the other cult kids, have answered the simple question: What is the end result of “reciprocal tariffs”?
It’s almost like none of you has a clue, huh?
I missed a weekend of nonsense, time to catch up.
The cult kids are still panicking over Trump’s tariff game, not understanding any of it. It’s all TDS. Remember when they were panicked over “global warming”? I guess TDS is more powerful than even that false fear.
Alan Dershowitz is a Constitutional scholar, probably no one better. He doesn’t see any “Constitional crisis”. But he does have a problem with the Left calling Trump a “Nazi”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka28Ak15j2A
(The cult kids won’t understand any of this.)
I remember Dershowitz from the O.J. Simpson trial and how he and his team bent over backwards to misrepresent the truth. Simpson was clearly guilty and it was the 11 blacks, conveniently on the jury, who got him off. In this video he further misrepresents the truth.
What Trump did, sending illegal immigrants off to a concentration camp in El Salvador, is exactly what the Nazis and the Vichy French did to Jews. From the New Republic quote that’s exactly what Trump inferred, that Nazis were sympathetic to Jews.
https://newrepublic.com/post/193725/donald-trump-israel-hostages-nazis-jewish-prisoners-love
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? Like, you know, what happened in Germany? Trump said, absurdly comparing the hostages situation to the Holocaust, which murdered six million Jews.
People would try and help people that were in unbelievable distress, the president went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for their generosity”.
Problem is here, that Trump’s abysmal ignorance is showing. As Dershowitz claimed, a few Germans did what they could to help Jews, much to their credit and at the risk to their own personal safety. In fact, many Germans were opposed to Hitler and Nazism. However, Trump is comparing Hamas to Nazis, inferring that the Nazis were sympathetic to the Jews. He clearly does not understand the difference between the Nazis and Germans who did help.
That is clearly his message, that Hamas is so evil they won’t give anyone a break, yet the good Germans, who he confuses with German Nazis, did help them. Maybe that’s why Trump finds it so easy to cozy up to brutal dictators like the North Korean leader or his new buddy in El Salvador, who lies that he cannot release certain prisoners.
Dershowitz must know that, yet the right-winger he is, he continuous to support Trump, making excuse for his abject ignorance.
As mentioned, the cult kids won’t understand any of my comment.
In another article by the New York Times, former defense chief-of-staff, John Kelly, made it clear that Trump thinks and behaves like a fascist.
Further below is a link to an article in which Trump disparages US troops as ‘losers’ and ‘suckers’ simply because they got themselves killed. This is akin to the old Japanese Bushido code, in which soldiers are disparaged for getting themselves killed. The Japanese had it conditioned into them that it is better to die than surrender, since surrender meant shame.
Kelly’s comments…
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/us/politics/harris-kelly-trump.html
Well, looking at the definition of fascism: Its a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, Mr. Kelly said, adding that those are the kinds of things that Mr. Trump thinks would work better in terms of running America.
“Mr. Kelly recounted that Mr. Trump had told him that Hitler did some good things, and also confirmed a 2020 report in The Atlantic that Mr. Trump had referred to service members killed on the battlefield as losers and suckers. The Atlantic reported on Tuesday that Mr. Trump had told Mr. Kelly: I need the kind of generals that Hitler had. People who were totally loyal to him, that follow orders.
Trumps comment re soldiers being losers and suckers parallels the Ukrainian right-wing view that Allies fighting in WW II were scum representing the Jews.
Trumps comments re US fallen troops, calling them ‘losers’ and ‘suckers’.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
“Trump said, Why should I go to that cemetery? Its filled with losers. In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as suckers for getting killed”.
Gordo,
You’re not going to win the argument by quoting hard leftist rags. John Kelly doesn’t know what a fascist is. He should never have been appointed to Trump’s administration. You won’t have people like John Kelly in this administration.
The “losers and suckers” nonsense has been long debunked. Trump never said such. It’s “fake news”, again.
gordon fell for it, just another face plant….
Wrong.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly
Yes, you’re wrong again, child Nate.
This nonsense was apparently started by Kelly and the writer for Atlantic. The people present all denied it happened. Even John Bolton, who is not a fan of Trump, denied it.
Even wikipedia got it right:
Numerous Trump officials present that day also rebutted Goldberg’s reporting, including United States ambassador to France Jamie McCourt, stating “In my presence, POTUS has NEVER denigrated any member of the U.S. military or anyone in service to our country. And he certainly did not that day, either.” Also denying the report was national security adviser turned Trump-critic John Bolton and deputy chief of staff Zach Fuentes, who was close to former chief of staff John Kelly.”
Yes, Kelly, his Chief of Staff heard it. The others didn’t, and were not with him all the time.
Whats your point?
Child Nate, my point is very clear — for adults:
The “losers and suckers” nonsense has been long debunked. Trump never said such. It’s “fake news”, again.
All that we KNOW is that his supporters believe the Dear Leader can do no wrong.
Today (April 20th) is the deadline per Trump’s EO dated January 20, 2025 for SECDEF and SECDHS recommendation on suspension of Posse Comitatus Act. I haven’t seen tanks rolling down Main street yet.
Decision time has come and gone, and the Insurrection Act which suspends Posse Comitatus has not been invoked yet. I guess invoking the Insurrection Act has a better chance of creating an insurrection than stopping one.
Invoking the Insurrection Act is not the same as declaring martial law. The difference from martial law is that the elected civilians remain in charge and civil law remains, the military are enforcing existing civil law, not making the laws.
Ark are you just late for April Fool’s Day, or are you really a nutcase?
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/18/politics/pentagon-dhs-wont-recommend-insurrection-act/index.html?cid=ios_app&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
For now, Pentagon and DHS won’t recommend that Trump invoke the Insurrection Act
It looks like, for now, they have postponed it – mostly because they can’t get their logistics figured out.
History’s fascist governments, dictatorships, and autocratic ideologies differ from the Trump regime in that it truly seems unique in how catastrophically stupid the whole thing is. Even Mussolini was smart enough to promote the myth that he “made the trains run on time” – even though he didn’t. It’s a fragile fascism, distinctively unstable and chaotic at its core.
stephen…I was hoping we could keep this civil. I have no problem with you expressing your opinions even though your views tend to be intolerant, unsubstantiated, and seriously right-wing.
You said…
“Gordo,
So why has Trumps popularity gone up? There are Democrats I know personally who hated Trump before the election and are now cheering him on. You have your head up Trudeaus arse”.
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His popularity is at an all-time low (46%). Don’t know what propaganda you are receiving. If an election was called today, he’d get his butt kicked. I am looking forward to his impeachment along with his sycophant VP.
I was one of the most vocal against Trudeau. Never really cared much for his father, Pierre either but Pierre was 10 times the man of Justin, who is definitely his mother’s son. Trump would not have liked Pierre, who had the intellect to run circles around him. Had Trump dared to taunt Pierre, as he did Justin, re the 51st state, Pierrae would have made him look foolish.
Barry stated my position accurately, I am a socialist, as a label only, not a communist or a fascist. If you are going to discuss politics you could at least become better informed. I don’t believe in labels, or images, however, and I really have no idea what I am, except an occasional a***hole. I’m not even good at that, since unlike Trump, I have a conscience.
You rave about Marxists but the word means nothing. A Marxist is simply any ijit who distorts the philosophy of Marx, usually by force. Not one person or group has applied Marxist philosophy accurately, and never as a democratic entity, which could easily be applied. Why has every ijit applying Marx found it necessary to use force and brutality?
BTW…I don’t support the philosophy of Marx. I do credit him for standing up to the deplorable conditions implemented by capitalists in his time. He did not like children being forced to work deep in coal mines or to see people tossed in prison for having debts. I am wondering if you or Clint support such treachery.
Socialism began in Europe decades before Marx produced his manifesto and from its inception it has been a workers’ movement aimed at getting better wages and conditions for workers. The irony is that Marx rejected the name socialism to describe his work, even though his partner Engels pushed for it. The association came from desperate capitalists trying to discredit any form of centralized government that represented all people.
The use of the word socialism to describe Russian and Chinese communism is right up there with the ignorance of you Yanks calling yourselves Americans. You fail to grasp geographically that no country on a world atlas is named America, the only features bearing the name America being the long continent that stretches north-south from Alaska down to the tip of South America.
If Trump gets wind of this, he will immediately rename the US as America, then America will truly be in America. However, Hawaii will still be located in Polynesia.
The association between socialism and communism came from rabid McCarthyists in the 1950s, who started a paranoia about a commie under every bed. They even dragged Linus Pauling before their committee to explain his objection to nuclear bombs, knowing as an excellent chemist how dangerous radiation is to human cells.
What’s with you Yanks and witch hunts? Can’t get Salem out of your minds? First it was poor women hunted down and killed as witches, with no proof, now it is illegal aliens, guilty or not.
Personally, I don’t like labels and calling myself a socialist makes no sense. I think it is wrong, however, forcing people to give up a minimum of 10 hours a day (including travel time) to go to a workplace while paying them a pittance, while black-hearted capitalists get to set rents so high that workers can hardly afford a place to live. Currently, here in the Vancouver area, a one bedroom apartment is running about $3000/month and beat up homes in excess of $1 million.
Figure it out. That renter needs $36,000 a year for rent alone. By the time taxes are added, food, and other expenses, that person would need to earn upward of $80,000 a year, and that is entirely unreachable on minimum wage or even $20/hour. $20/hr, is about $42,000/year.
Capitalism is clearly out of control and most people are afraid to tell the Emperor that he is prancing around naked. Those who are protesting are going about it all wrong, they think gathering and shouting slogans will get it done. What they need is good-old national strikes, where everyone simply sits down, forcing the government to re-adjust.
Saw one in New Zealand of all places. A union leader was tossed in jail early in the morning and the whole country came to a halt. Buses stopped in the middle of streets, and so on. By noon, the union leader was set free.
Gordo,
How do you keep it civil with people who want to tear down the greatest country that has ever been? It isn’t about Trump. It is about leftist ideology. If you are a socialist then you are an idiot. What has socialism ever done but kill people? So you hate the rich. You hate wealth accumulation. And, if we could all just share with the common everything would be great. That’s what you think?
No one here holds these views, stephen.
Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to his friend.
“…it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape, than that one innocent Person should suffer…
It has been for some time a generally receiv’d Opinion, that a military Man is not to enquire whether a War be just or unjust; he is to execute his Orders. All Princes who are dispos’d to become Tyrants must probably approve of this Opinion, & be willing to establish it. But is it not a dangerous one? since, on that Principle, if the Tyrant commands his Army to attack and destroy, not only an unoffending Neighbour Nation, but even his own Subjects, the Army is bound to obey. A Negro Slave in our Colonies, being commanded by his Master to rob or murder a Neighbour, or do any other immoral Act, may refuse, and the Magistrate will protect him in his Refusal. The Slavery then of a Soldier is worse than that of a Negro! A consciencious Officer, if not restrain’d by the Apprehension of its being imputed to another Cause, may indeed resign; rather than be employ’d in an unjust War; but the private Men are Slaves for Life, and they are perhaps incapable of judging for themselves. We can only lament their Fate; and still more that of a Sailor, who is often dragg’d by Force from his honest Occupation, and compell’d to imbrue his Hands in perhaps innocent Blood. But methinks it well behoves Merchants, Men more enlightned by their Education, and perfectly free from any such Force or Obligation, to consider well of the Justice of a War, before they voluntarily engage a Gang of Ruffians to attack their Fellow Merchants of a neighbouring Nation, to plunder them of their Property, & perhaps ruin them & their Families, if they yield it, or to wound, maim & murder them if they endeavour to defend it. Yet these Things are done by Christian Merchants, whether a War be just or unjust; and it can hardly be just on both sides. They are done by English and American Merchants, who nevertheless complain of private Thefts, and hang by Dozens the Thieves they have taught by their own Example.
It is high time for the sake of Humanity that a Stop be put to this Enormity. The United States of America, tho’ better situated than any European Nation, to make Profit by Privateering, most of the Trade of Europe with the West Indies passing before their Doors, are, as far as in them lies, endeavouring to abolish the Practice, by offering in all their Treaties with other Powers, an Article engaging solemnly that in Case of future War no Privateers shall be commission’d on either Side, and that unarm’d Merchant Ships on both sides shall pursue their Voyages unmolested. This will be a happy Improvement of the Law of Nations. The Humane and the Just cannot but wish general Success to the Proposition.”
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-43-02-0335
America was founded by giants of the mind. Idealists who envisioned a better world and wrought a document to achieve it.
They would look with horror on the rhetoric of the day.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”
B. Franklin
barry, finding quotes from famous people doesn’t give you any credibility. Any child can do that.
That is what a Marxist does. They have no shame. By any means necessary. Barry and Benjamin Franklin are kindred spirits philosophically. That’s what Barry wants us to believe.
“That is what a Marxist does.”
Stephen, just calling people absurd names is not an argument. It just makes you look foolish.
No, your Marxist ideology makes you look foolish.
According to your bizarre thinking, about half of US voters must be Marxists.
Utterly stoopid.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has feathers and flies, it’s a duck.
What’s utterly stoopid is laying it all on the line for an MS13 gangster. Nothing tops that. Only Marxists would be dumb enough to do that.
stephen,
Can you even describe what a Marxist is? You must be terribly misguided to think anyone on this board is one.
Barry,
Yeah, you Barry.
I didn’t think so.
stephen…”How do you keep it civil with people who want to tear down the greatest country that has ever been? It isnt about Trump. It is about leftist ideology. If you are a socialist then you are an idiot. What has socialism ever done but kill people? So you hate the rich. You hate wealth accumulation. And, if we could all just share with the common everything would be great. Thats what you think?”
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Stephen engages in flag waving, revealing a pathetic need to defend his country. He doesn’t grasp the obvious, that patriotism and culture are the cause of much of the world’s ills. I don’t flag-wave, Stephen, I see what is wrong with our country and speak out about it, even in a socialist state. If someone attacks my country physically, however, I will step up and do what I can.
At no time since the 1814 has the US attacked Canada, yet under Trump it is becoming a possibility. Why?? He wants our resources but cannot bring himself to workout one of those deals he is always on about. That’s rich, actually, the guy has gone bankrupt so often I doubt that he knows what a deal is. He’s a bully, case closed.
At no time have I torn down the US, I have simply tried to tell the truth about the excesses of capitalism which are apparent mainly in this greatest country you claim to live in. In fact, I have defended the US on this blog, where credit was due.
Are you now going to bs me that every US citizen has the same right and opportunity to become wealthy and that it is the fault of an citizen who has not become wealthy? And are you going to further bs me that it is the poor’s own fault that they are poor? At one time, the poor and disenfranchised could go off and find a plot of land to survive. Those days are long gone.
The truth is Stephen, you and Clint represent all that is wrong with the US. You are both heartless b***ards who don’t give a tinker’s damn about your fellow citizens. You butt-kiss Trump and the wealthy but have no time for millions of US citizens who are struggling because of Trump and his ilk.
I have also invited you to visit British Columbia to see a true socialist state in action. We’ve had 4 socialist governments here since 1973 and not once have they killed anyone. Nor have they messed with anyone’s ability to create wealth. And don’t be fooled by the name social democracy, which is a week kneed euphemism for socialism.
BTW…our premier, David Eby, is leading the way to direct Canada in a direction of self-autonomy. He opposes Trump’s actions as much as Doug Ford, the right wing Premier of Ontario. We have one traitor in our midst, the Premier of Alberta. You can have her but you can’t have Alberta.
And, no, I don’t support regimes like the former USSR and China. I have no time for Castro’s Cuba. Not one of them is a socialism, they simply stole the name in a pathetic attempt to legitimize their abortions. Good Canadians who were socialists went to Europe to help fight Fascism while your great nation sat on it hands for 3 years of WW I and a year and half of WW II, only entering the latter after you were attacked at pearl Harbour.
What kind of great country sits back and watches a fascist run over Europe? Don’t talk to me about greatness, man, those who do are legends in their own minds.
I have nothing whatsoever against wealth accumulation as long as it is done fairly and responsibly. I have nothing against billionaires like Musk, Gates, or anyone else. I do have issues with Musk engaging in cruel acts that put US citizens out of work and his buddy Trump who enabled him, albeit illegally.
My attitude toward the wealthy is live and let live. However, when they get stoopid and start interfering with democratic rights, as far as I am concerned, they can go piss up a rope.
Your problem, Stephen, is that you have been heavily conditioned to believe that socialism is a corrupt system along the lines of Stalin and Mao, or some banana republics.
You live south of us but I bet you know very little about Canada.
Jiddu Krishnamurti devoted his life to awareness and trying to understand what motivates people. He claimed once that there are three kinds of people:
-those who simply don’t want to know, like you and Clint
-those who have an interest in what makes the world tick re human awareness, but who lack the energy to investigate to any depth.
-those who put in the effort and do want to understand.
Socialism has been the base policy for many countries like the UK, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand, and Australia, to name a few. Those countries have coexisted peacefully, never having killed anyone as you claim. Most people in said countries do not hate the wealthy and pretty well leave them alone to go about their business.
The criterion is that the poorest must not be left bereft of a place to live, of medical care, or for a place to live.
Even with our right-wing governments like the Liberals and the Conservatives, they have had to adapt to socialist infrastructures like Medicare, pensions (yes..pensions are a socialist concept and if you are receiving one you are reliant on a socialist tenet), workers’ compensation, womens’ rights. etc. Almost anything that comes from a central government is based on socialism.
In fact, the US had a healthy socialist movement going at one time and still do through their unions. A great nation that values democracy has nothing to fear from socialism, which has democracy as its basis. If you don’t like them you are free to vote them out. All socialist nations have been democratic, not one has followed the tenets of Marx or engaged in the brutality of so-called communist states.
Bernie Sanders has been howling at the Moon trying to convince you Yanks that looking after all US citizens is the only way to go. Yet, ironically, he comes across as a right-winger to me. Bless his soul, though, he is trying to fight a losing battle.
Reminds me of China in 1915 when Sun Yat Sen tried valiantly to introduce democracy to China. The Chinese peasants were totally ignorant of the concept and rejected it outright. Even Mao dabbled with the idea of a socialist state with democracy because he thought it would be too harsh for people to be immersed in Russian-style communism.
I have no idea why you Yanks are so resistant to humanitarianism. The irony is that the original immigrants that formed Canada and the US came from the UK. One party landed as the Pilgrims in what is now the NE states and the others arrived as adventurers and entrepreneurs in what is now Canada. How did both countries end up so different as far as humanitarianism is concerned?
Gordo,
It is easy to have socialism as a base policy when you have the United States protecting you. Canada cannot protect itself. The UK, Sweden, Norway and Denmark cannot protect themselves. They all rely on the United States. So, it is easy to have socialism when you don’t have to protect yourselves. I don’t know everything about Canada, but I know a lot. I’ve been there, traveled there, worked there. I’m also an avid listener of Jordan Petersen who talks about Canada quite a lot. Here is a good example of socialism. Canada’s
Board of Psychologists or whatever it is called has attempted to silence him by threatening to suspend his license because they don’t like what he says. He’s never had a complaint from an actual patient or colleague.
Gordo,
Who do you think should be America’s President and Canada’s Prime Minister?
“The UK, Sweden, Norway and Denmark cannot protect themselves”
Guess you never heard about NATO?
The UK, Sweden, Norway and Denmark cannot protect themselves
The USA has Hollywood.
If the US wasn’t part of NATO, Russia would have run over Europe a long time ago. I guess you didn’t know that.
Everyone is fully aware that the US is the primary reason Russia has stayed in its zone. That’s why the world looks aghast at Trump opening the door. He doesn’t seem to realize that an arms race and war in Europe is bad for the US, as well as the rest of the world.
Trump is responsible for “the arms race?”
Let me see how this works. Trump was inaugurated on Jan 20. He doesn’t even have his first budget yet. But somehow he is responsible for “the arms race.”
Are you being cute, or are you actually dumb?
Europe is responding to Trump’s erratic policy and decisions on Ukraine, particularly threats to withdraw from NATO, US appeasement of Putin, and the (temporary) withdrawing of intelligence from Ukraine. The EU no longer sees the US as a responsible, reliable security partner.
“European Union leaders on Thursday committed to a massive step in defense cooperation following decades of hesitation, spurred on by President Donald Trumps repeated warnings that he would cut them adrift to face the threat of Russia without the overwhelming U.S. military might.
The 27 leaders signed off on a move to loosen budget restrictions so that willing EU countries can increase their military spending. They also urged the European Commission, the EUs executive branch, to explore new ways to facilitate significant defense spending in all member states, a statement said.”
https://apnews.com/live/ukraine-europe-eu-security-summit-updates
There is also talk among European nations of increasing Europe’s nuclear weapons capability. The US’ arsenal both in Europe and at home has been a primary deterrent to Russian aggression.
This is not difficult, stephen. Trump has gone soft on Ukraine and NATO. So now Europe must arm up, as US support is no longer reliable. This will give Russia time to restore its own military, and if the biggest threat it has is now stepping back, then Russia is more competitive militarily. The race has already begun on the European side.
Gordon,
I found myself agreeing with most of your post, for once. And it was good to read so much compassion in it.
But it wouldn’t be a barry reply to you without some disagreement.
UK, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand, and Australia: these are liberal democracies. Though they have a few of the trappings of socialism, like universal healthcare, education and social insurance, they are fundamentally capitalist economies. You could call these ‘mixed economies’, with capitalism as the engine, and regulation of it as the guardrails, along with social welfare protection.
All these have been more or less successful countries, and have high scores on the usual social indicators, like life expectancy, child survival, standard of living, access to health and education, as well as good standards in the latter.
I’m always bemused that some Americans see these as ‘socialist’ countries that have fewer liberties than the US.
My own views don’t strictly follow any ism. Social democrat doesn’t quite fit me. More like pragmatic progressive, I suppose.
Those countries are all socialistic countries who rely heavily on capitalism to create wealth. They’ve learned you can’t create wealth with socialism. However, if they had to protect themselves they would be a lot less socialistic. Sweden, Norway,and Denmark swung heavily to the left in the 80’s and 90’s but quickly realized it wasn’t working. Norway relies heavily on revenues from petroleum.
These countries are just like the US in that the engine of the economy is capitalism. And just like the US they are not trying to abolish capitalism.
Differently to the US there is more emphasis on the common good, regulated by government. So there is affordable universal health care in these countries, as well as private health for those who wish to take that up. There is more subsidisation of education (but it’s not free in most mixed economies). Social insurance is more universal, broader in scope than in the US, and is paid out of income tax rather than payroll contributions.
These differences only mean that the public feels a little more safe. The social safety net has a finer mesh and fewer people slip through than in the US. Also healthcare is a LOT cheaper.
I do not know why Americans would rather pay more to cover themselves, than pay less and cover everyone.
Americans can boast of lower tax rates, and I guess the philosophy is that people can best judge how to spend their money than the government. However, if Americans paid a bit more tax they would get better services, and social security would not be a decade away from going bankrupt.
None of this is socialism or Marxism. Marxism is about the abolition of class and capitalism, and socialism is about the state or public controlling production and distribution of large industry and full control of the economy.
Yes, this is real! Although filled with the usual malice, hate, and insults, far too grammatically correct for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Go-3eXkWcAA0KU-?format=jpg&name=medium
Someone should have told him that Easter is about Jesus. It is the day Christ rose from the dead.
“It is the day Christ rose from the dead.”
Allegedly.
Leftism is your God.
Which God is that?
The God of narcissism, jealousy, hate, envy, discord, greed and control.
Oh, I almost forgot, and deceit.
You know, much of that list describes Trump. I direct your attention to the OP. His Easter message was replete with malice. Astonishing invective for a head of state, par for the course for Donald Trump.
I didn’t know you worshiped them.
Earth Day: April 22, 2025.
Today, on Earth Day, we pause to reflect on the wonder and majesty of God’s creation, from the vast oceans and towering mountains to the delicate balance of ecosystems and the intricate complexity of life itself.
As beneficiaries of this divine gift, humanity has been entrusted with a sacred duty -not of ownership, but of stewardship. We are called to care for the Earth with reverence, humility, and responsibility.
This day serves as a solemn reminder that our actions carry weight. The choices we make -how we consume, conserve, and coexist- either honor the Creator or contribute to the degradation of His handiwork. As stewards, it is incumbent upon us to preserve the Earth not only for ourselves but for generations yet unborn.
May Earth Day inspire renewed commitment to protect, cherish, and sustain the planet, reflecting both gratitude for its beauty and obedience to the divine mandate to guard it faithfully.
Have you said thank you once? https://youtu.be/kNf7g13284E
Ark, I’m glad to see you work God into the Earth Day meme. That’s some reality.
The original “Earth Day” nonsense was started by Leftists. It was all based on fear, like all of Leftism. We were all going to die from starvation, thirst, pollution, cold, hot, you name it. Every move we made was going to destroy the planet.
It was the opposite of reality.
ark…there was a female meteorologist on local TV commenting on Earth Day and who claimed science does not lie. To illustrate, she pointed to a bar graph, with a totally exaggerated y-axis, representing temperature, where ‘AVERAGE’ global temps have warmed a whole degree C since 1850.
One whole degree C!!!
Science should not lie but science is done by human minds that do lie. That’s particularly true when they are rewarded by outfits, like the IPCC, representing a lie. Human minds are also good at ignoring evidence that contradicts their truth.
The bar graph actually shows a rewarming from the Little Ice Age and not the claimed trace gas that true science indicates cannot warm the atmosphere more than 0.06C per 1C rise in temperature.
“true science” = “the fringe, maverick views I like”
” ‘AVERAGE’ global temps have warmed a whole degree C since 1850.
One whole degree C!!!”
Average global temps were 6C cooler in the last glaciation 25.000 years ago, when Northern America was under a 3 kilometre thick ice sheet. It took 6000 years for warming to melt it. That’s 1C per millenium.
So, yeah, a whole degree C in 170 years matters.
Wrong again barry.
No one knows what temperatures were 25000 years ago. And most people don’t even know what “science” is. Science is observable, demonstrable, verifiable, testable, etc. Science is NOT “consensus” of beliefs.
So, “true science” = reality. Beliefs ain’t science.
We most certainly do know that Northern America was covered in a 3 kilometre thick ice sheet 25,0000 years ago. Geology spots that very easily. And the temperatures back then are derived from numerous different proxy data, all corroborating.
Don’t confuse your own ignorance for anyone else’s, Clint.
DREMT , Clint, bill and others. What do you think about that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHWVuS9W0Iw&t=3s
It seems that what we have been told about seasons could be wrong. The earth`s tilt can not explain seasons.
Saying that earth would would maintain its orientation while orbiting the sun would be analogus to a passangerjet that would fly backwards at the other side of the earth.
So could it be that Tycho Brahe was right beliving that the Sun orbits the earth instead?
There is nothing to think about, the guy defeats his own argument in his opening statements. He shows the proper orbital plane and why the seasons change due to the axial tilt.
Then he devises an idiotic rotational mechanism in which the Sun is a fraction of the size of the Earth with the entire orbital plane tilted at a weird angle while rotationg.
Yonnipun, the video does not represent the true motion. The model has Earth “orbiting without spin”. Earth’s spin establishes rotational angular momentum which keeps the axis always pointing in the same direction. That means Earth’s axial orientation relative to Sun changes, producing seasons.
However, the same model, using Earth and Moon, would show that Moon does not spin.
Agree with Gordon. No need to throw out the whole heliocentric model just because “orbit without spin” is as per the MOTL.
Wrong. It’s MOTR.
For those interested in why “orbit without spin” is as per the MOTL, there’s the longest thread in history about just that very subject, under the article “Hey EPA, why not regulate water vapor emissions while you are at it?”
The blog is not letting me post links today, otherwise I would link to it.
Yes RLH, you don’t understand vectors.
Thanks for the reminder.
I understand vectors well thank you.
The thread is wrong. As is everything that you post.
Lol. OK, RLH.
DREMT,Clint, Gordon and others. Just think about it. The earth starts its movement with south pole closer to the sun and on the other side of the orbit the north pole is closer to the sun.
For example the pannanger jet starts a journey around the world. It has a tilt – its right wing is closer to the ground. But at the other side of the globe its left wing must be closer to the globe. How could this happen?
Two ways – the passanger jet moves like MOTR and is travelling backwards on the other side of the globe. Or it travels always nose towards the movement but then it needs to change the tilt at the other side of the globe to have left wing closer to the globe.
Obviously RLH didn’t read the thread, since if he had done he’d have realised the biggest cause of disagreement over “orbit without spin” came down to the thing he already agrees with me on – that a ball on a string is not rotating about an axis passing through the ball itself.
… as normally observed by the operator.
Sorry, Ball4, the agreement from RLH, Bindidon and Norman that a ball on a string is not rotating about an axis that goes through the ball itself is “regardless of reference frame”. You lose that eight year argument, I’m afraid.
RLH said it best awhile back: ‘The BOS is a good model for the BOS, and that’s all.’
Hmmm…but RLH at least understands that the ball on a string is not rotating about an axis passing through the ball itself. You, on the other hand, don’t even get that.
Just wanted to also ask something about gravity.
Simple balance weighing scale. Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpnqHss7OkI
Why does it balance? If one weight is lower than the other , should not the gravity affect it more as it is closer to the ground?
barry…”UK, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand, and Australia: these are liberal democracies. Though they have a few of the trappings of socialism, like universal healthcare, education and social insurance, they are fundamentally capitalist economies. You could call these mixed economies, with capitalism as the engine, and regulation of it as the guardrails, along with social welfare protection”.
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Barry….my point i that socialist values have infiltrated what was once a bastion of capitalism. No capitalist would ever have offered perks like healthcare, education, roads (for free), pensions, etc., or womens’ rights. They were all fought for by unions and womens’ movement that were based in socialist values.
The word social in this context refers to ‘Of, relating to, or occupied with matters affecting human welfare (Merriam-Webster). It has nothing to do with a system of communes where people work voluntarily to help each other out for no profit. In fact, no known system like that exists or has existed except for the Israeli Kibbutz system). ut wouldn’t you know that some of them have been privatized.
Socialism began in the early 1800s, BEFORE Marx, and it was about making life better for people. Stephen argues that a socialism is lousy at making money but in those days the focus was not on money but making life better for the poor, working-class, and downtrodden. Stephen and many of his fellow Yanks don’t seem to care about such people, bowing to the capitalist mantra that poverty is a sickness that can be remedied if a person really want to fix it.
Stephen fails to grasp, that if everyone became a capitalist, there would be no one to do the work. Everyone would need to be a sole proprietor, running his/her business without any help whatsoever. However, capitalist need people to help them but for as little as possible.
Medicare was introduced in Canada by an uber-socialist, Tommy Douglas. He introduced it when he was the socialist leader of the province of Saskatchewan and it was implemented finally by Woodrow Lloyd. Later, Douglas became leader of the federal NDP and took the idea to the federal level where fortunately, Liberal Paul Martin senior, helped him get it through Parliament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_medicare
This is how government should work together to look after people. The US is lagging way behind in the basic principles of democracy for all. Pure capitalism cannot and does not work for everyone in a democracy, there needs to be government supervision without stifling entrepreneurship. That would make a Yank capitalist apoplectic but it is a fact that they simply cannot be relied upon to be fair.
The labels are of no interest. Whether it is a social democracy or a liberal democracy is immaterial. I can agree with you definition of liberal democracy. The point to note is that people fought for these changes, often at the expense of their lives, and that makes it social. Early unionists were beaten and killed by over-zealous company owners, but in the end, they prevailed. That why we benefit today from better wages and conditions, women’s rights, medicare, pensions, workers’ compensation, unemployment insurance ets.
I can only take my hat off to those who survived the 1930s without any of those or the medical interventions we enjoy today.
Stephen seems to think social refers to a load of reprobates gather in clandestine meeting to overthrow the average Yank’s way of life. Or to prevent people making money. Social means exactly what it implies, people working voluntarily together to make things better for everyone, including Stephen.
Socialists I know are quite happy to make money and live in a democracy. Most I know will fight to defend democracy, even though it often means suffering through right-wing governments who simply don’t care about people in general. The point is human values outweigh money and profit.
Yes, for stephen and conservatives who don’t know much about other polities, Marxism, communism and socialism are all the same thing. They serve as pejoratives rather than political critiques of their opponents.
Many Americans believe that wealth generation is the greatest (civic) good, and that the more people that invest in wealth generation, the better for society. Reagan and Thatcher reinvigorated this outlook with the ‘trickle down’ economy. Civic virtue became entrepreneurship, personal wealth and reduced reliance on the state.
It didn’t work very well. Especially in the US.
Predictably, the emphasis on free-market capitalism at the expense of social equity led to the top one percent getting substantially richer, and the middle to lower income earners with stagnating wages and living conditions. The disparity skyrocketed in the 80s under the two leaders. Reaganomics worked – but only for the wealthiest people in the US.
US conservatives tend to confuse criticism of capitalism with advocating the abolishment of capitalism. Capitalism is a useful tool when well-regulated, but not the golden chariot to bear humanity’s needs.
gordon and barry are clogging the blog, again.
They’re both Leftists, although barry won’t admit it. They rely on insults and false accusations to support their false beliefs. Here’s another example from gordon:
“The truth is Stephen, you and Clint represent all that is wrong with the US. You are both heartless b***ards who don’t give a tinker’s damn about your fellow citizens. You butt-kiss Trump and the wealthy but have no time for millions of US citizens who are struggling because of Trump and his ilk.”
gordon can’t support me ever stating anything like that. I don’t even support Trump 100%, he’s just miles ahead of people like Biden and Kamala. Both barry and gordon are Leftists, and are now foaming at the mouth from TDS.
Yeah, I’m slightly left of centre. Got not problem with being called a leftist, except that you use the term as an insult instead of a descriptor. That’s your ignorance, not my problem.
Your problem barry is your “world view”. You’re a child of the cult of Leftism. Like most Leftists, you believe you can pervert reality to fit your false beliefs. You don’t believe there is “right” and “wrong”. You don’t believe in absolutes. You can’t face reality. When you are shown to be wrong, you lash out with childish insults calling people “lying dog”. You can’t face reality.
THAT is your problem.
Barry
You have a lot of intelligence in your posts. Just to remind you Clint R does not care about rational debate. Again he is only here to annoy and upset other posters. He chose the Trump path because it has emotional content to exploit. He does the Moon rotation because it annoys people. Monitor his posts. None have any rational point. They are just designed to get a negative emotional response.
Norman,
You don’t like Clint or myself because we see you for what you are. You and your ilk are swamp creatures. You believe that government is the solution. We support Trump because he is anti-swamp. He took everything the left could throw at him and won. He is tough and resilient. The left will continue to try to take him out one way or another and we will continue to support him. He is not one of them. He is one of us.
Stephen p anderson
It is not a matter of liking or not. I am stating reality with Clint R. He gets pleasure from annoying people. I encountered these types in grade school and high school. With you i see a radical fanatic similar to a Taliban follower. You are devoid of rational thought and only operate in simplistic Tribal thought process. Us against Them mentality. You believe any and all lies from your Right-wing sources and you cannot conceive the possibility they are deceiving you! Barry offers you intelligent thoughtful replies but your brain shuts down and will not consider what he says.
Barry is a propagandist and full of deceit. He is a professional agitator and instigator. He’s from Australia. Why so concerned about our politics? Marxism is a global movement. America is the last bastion of freedom. He HATES our country and anyone who promotes it. MAGA.
Also, Clint is right. You are a cult. You’re like the Borg, a collective of drones.
Clint, stephen,
You guys are not even close to characterising me.
You’re both spouting moronic right-wing talking points that shoves everyone not conservative into a fantasy character that wants to destroy capitalism and morality.
It’s hilarious how dumb you both sound. I’m not so very different to you. I want law and order and for justice to be fair and not too intrusive. I want people to have the liberty to make their own choices. I am a full supporter of the right to vigorously disagree. I don’t want the government telling me what to do in my own home (I’m ok with them forbidding me make street drugs or building weapons of mass destruction), and as little as possible out in public. But I also want my kids to be safe, so I’m fine with people getting fined for not driving on the correct side of the road, for example. I’m all for a competitive marketplace, entrepreneurialism and capitalism motivating people, but I’m not ok with monopolies and businesses practises that endanger communities (such as polluting the town’s drinking water). I absolutely want the right to speak, and to vote in free and fair elections. I’m not religious at all, but I want religion to be protected, as much as free speech is.
Is this so very different to you? Are we opposites? Tell me what the gulfs between our values are.
You probably want less laws and rules than me and a different emphasis on things, but the volume of that difference is tiny compared to the full volume of the laws of the land.
Where we are different is that I understand you, but you have no idea who I am. The conservative rhetoric that fogs your mind prevents you seeing people who are different to clearly.
Not once in all these years have you asked what I believe in. You’ve always told me. You see me through a rhetoric coloured lens. And that’s why your characterisations are amusing. They are vastly different to who I actually am.
Barry,
Even though you’re an Australian you supported Kamala Harris who is a Marxist, over Trump. She believes in a woman’s right to have abortions, even late-term. She believes babies are not human and have no rights as does the Democrat Party. She supports open borders and laughed at our sovereignty as Biden’s Border Czar. She believes in gun control and that the Second Amendment should be repealed. She is strongly anti-NRA. She like Biden believed it was OK to use OSHA to force 100 million working Americans to take the COVID vaccine against their will or lose their jobs. You come on here, not as a debater, but a propagandist, who spreads leftist media and Democrat Party talking points with zeal. You are a professional agitator and propagandist. And, you are a Marxist.
I didn’t favour Harris for any of those reasons. Still putting words in my mouth, and still using the word Marxist as if you know what it means. I’m no Marxist.
Here’s what it would look like if I characterised you based on anti-conservative (US) rhetoric.
You are a bible-thumping, gun-toting social anarchist, an authoritarian who hates everything and everyone that doesn’t agree with you. You cheer when people blow up abortion clinics and shoot doctors. You pretend to care about life, but you would rather force a women to die than terminate a dangerous pregnancy, and despite regular mass shootings at schools, you want to abolish all gun control.
For you God is the head of state, and his commandments trump the constitution and secular law. Your religious zealotry is exactly the same kind of poison as Islamic extremism, and treats women with the same contempt. You think poor people are scum who don’t try hard enough, and you think all foreigners are sub-human -criminals and leftists bent on destroying the US. You’re a xenophobe,and probably a racist, as well as a misogynist.
There. That’s how I would characterise you if I was as susceptible to hateful rhetoric as you are. But that kind of stereotyping is for lazy and frightened minds. You can keep it.
Here’s another – you would force a 10 year-old rape victim to carry the rapist’s child to term, even if the rapist was her father. Then you would hope she could live with her father so that the child was not deprived of a male parent.
Imagine if that was the view I ascribed to you on the regular. How would you take it?
You are also illogical. None of those are Trump’s positions or the positions of most conservatives. Also, I am not a Christian.
You’re a christian and an evangelical one at that.
(See? This is what it’s like)
Does the strength of the polar solar magnetic field not change? Is it a trend?
https://i.ibb.co/Y7R4kD74/Polar.gif
Let the economic backpedaling begin!
Yesterday, in a “private speech” to JPMorgan, which mysteriously leaked immediately to various wire services and the financial press, Scott Bessent reassured finance chiefs he believes Trump’s trade war with China is “unsustainable” for both sides and that he expects a “de-escalation,” though warned trade talks will be a “slog.”
Trump swiftly rowed in behind Bessent with his softest words on China in weeks. “We’re going to be very nice,” he told pool reporters in the White House last night.
Then, Trump also walked back his attacks on “major loser” Jerome Powell, whose “termination” as Fed chair, Trump said last week, “can’t come soon enough.” But the president’s tone is suddenly very different after more days of market volubility. Asked if he had plans to dismiss the Fed chair, Trump said he had “none whatsoever. Never did. The press runs away with things. I have no intention of firing him.”
The original plan, remember, was for “reciprocal tariffs” on dozens of nations -swiftly discarded when the markets wobbled. Then the plan was a trade war with China -a war Trump now sounds extremely keen to end. Then he flirted with firing Powell -but has been forced to abandon that too.
Even Trump has to kneel before the altar of the market. Welcome back to the real world, America.
You’re getting a good lesson in negotiating, huh Ark?
Hope you’re taking notes….
Leftists don’t understand the Art of the Deal.
Which apparently involves declaring bankruptcy ALOT, and not paying debts ALOT.
Trump did not write ‘Art of the Deal’.
RLH, Barry, Norman, Gordo, and Nate, where is your leftist utopia? Where has it ever been?
Oh, and Ark too. Question is for all of you.
Nate,
There is a reason why Indian Tribes have flourished in the casino business. They don’t pay federal income tax. Trump found that paying all the taxes and dealing with unions was too much for the casinos. Non tribal casinos can’t flourish especially in NY, NJ area. Trump found that out the hard way. Have you ever been to a Trump property? Outstanding organization.
Denial is powerful with you Stephen.
How bout Trump Steaks, Trump University, Trump Shuttle (airline), Trump Mortgage, NJ Generals Football team, The Plaza Hotel?
Bloomberg estimates Trump’s net worth at $7.1 billion. Who’s in denial?
Mostly from leveraging the Presidency. Notice his net worth doubled upon being elected in 2024.
There is longer any pretense of avoiding conflicts of interest, separating his business from his public office.
Just as with Elon Musk.
That is how we are becoming an oligarky.
Speaking of which, Trump just offered a private dinner with him, the President, to the Top 220 investors in his new Memecoin.
Boasting is easy, governing is hard:
May 4, 2023: I will end that war in one day. it’ll take 24 hours… it would be easy
April 23, 2025 (93 Days in): Rubio and Witkoff bail on crucial Ukraine talks
The weak US dollar is favorable for Poland because we have a lot of orders in the US.
Exactly!
Trump has crashed the US dollar by 10% while at the same time imposing a 10% base tariff on imports into the US. So, our costs are up 20% while other countries are getting the “Trump discount.” It’s insane.
It’s Chapter 11 of Trump’s The Art of The Deal!
National banks with large foreign currency reserves have also lost out. However, they should invest in gold.
The USA has lost the most.
Now the left wants us to have full trials with pro bono attorneys for all 11 million illegals the Biden Administration let in. This is the left, folks. They play the long game.
No, stephen, just the same due process that has already seen more than 400,000 immigration cases processed since the beginning of the year.
Your right-wing sources are lying to you.
BTW, it is also people on the right, like Republican leader, that say the lack of due process is unconstitutional – including the 6/3 majority Republican SCOTUS.
Trump has a Republican congress. He can get them to authorise the suspension of habeas corpus, if the congress will declare that an invasion is ongoing.
Why doesn’t Trump do this? Why break the law when he has an opportunity to do it constitutionally?
Because he has no time for the rest of the government. Congress and the judiciary can all go hang. He is not a consensus builder, he is an autocrat. Even the constitution is an inconvenience.
A reminder of what the Constitution says – and this is all it says about due process:
5th Amendment: “No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law …”
14th Amendment: “… nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
There is no distinction between citizens and non-citizens in the clauses on due process. SCOTUS has many times affirmed due process applies to all within US jurisdiction, unless an Act of Congress declares war and truncates due process to alien enemies (even then 5th Amendment applies).
Garcia got due process. He saw an immigration judge twice who issued orders of deportation and also found evidence that he’s a gang member credible. Tell his wife he’s not coming back here.
“He saw an immigration judge twice who issued orders of deportation”
False, he had a court order in 2019 barring him from being deported to El Salvador.
Stephen, why is it so hard for you to get your facts straight?
Nate,
Typical Nate propaganda. That’s a well-developed skill of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Nate is Red.
False, I am not Green.
What propaganda? The guy literally had a withholding of removal order, and specifically to el Salvador, where the government sent him in defiance of the court order.
The government has already admitted this, and that he was deported in error. Why do you call facts propaganda?
They have enough appointees in the courts to clog the system for all of Trump’s term. As long as the Supreme Court acquiesces to this stupidity it will happen.
FYI from the recent FoxNews Poll:
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Special envoy set to meet with Putin as Trump issues warning: ‘Vladimir, STOP!’
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Coming up on Friday, April 25 edition of Special Report
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Fox News Poll: The first 100 days of President Trump’s second term
82% are extremely or very concerned about inflation, down from 89% in January
By Dana Blanton Fox News
Published April 23, 2025 6:00pm EDT
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Trump reveals plans for two 100-foot flagpoles outside the White House to fly American flags.
President Donald Trump on Wednesday revealed plans to install two ‘beautiful’ flagpoles outside the White House that will each fly American flags.
As President Donald Trump approaches the 100th day of his second term, a Fox News survey finds voters pleased with the job he is doing on border security, but displeased on most other issues including inflation.
Trump receives his best marks on border security, as a 55% majority approves. Thats the only issue where his ratings are in positive territory. On immigration, a record high of 47% approve of Trump (48% disapprove), while a new low of 38% approve on the economy (56% disapprove). His worst ratings are on inflation (33% approve, 59% disapprove), followed by tariffs (33%-58%), foreign policy (40%-54%), taxes (38%-53%), and guns (41%-44%).
FOX NEWS POLL: TRUMP, REPUBLICANS AT RECORD-HIGH RATINGS AS DEMOCRATS FALTER
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Overall approval of Trumps job performance comes in at 44%, down 5 points from 49% approval in March. Thats lower than the approval of Joe Biden (54%), Barack Obama (62%), and George W. Bush (63%) at the 100-day mark in their presidencies. Its also lower by 1 point compared to Trumps 45% approval at this point eight years ago.
Some 59% of voters are unhappy with how things are going in the country. Thats an improvement since the end of former President Bidens term (68% dissatisfied), but worse than four years ago at the beginning of Bidens term (53% dissatisfied). Its also worse than the 100-day mark of Trumps first term (53% dissatisfied). Since his inauguration in January, satisfaction among Democrats has turned to dissatisfaction and vice versa among Republicans. Dissatisfaction remained steady among Independents.
Voters remain gloomy about the economy, as 71% rate economic conditions negatively and 55% say it is getting worse for their family. Both of those numbers are slight improvements compared to where they stood in December. Still, only 28% say it feels like things are getting better and by a 22-point margin more think Trumps policies are hurting rather than helping the economy. Trump is underwater by a narrower 11-point margin when voters are asked what they expect from his policies in the long run (40% help vs. 51% hurt).
FOX NEWS POLL: VOTERS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DOGE, EVEN AS THEY SEE NEED FOR CUTS
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They are also less optimistic about the future than they were at the beginning of Trumps first term. Based on the first 100 days, 38% overall and 75% of Republicans say they feel encouraged about the next four years. In 2017, those numbers were 45% and 84%, respectively.
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While inflation remains a major worry, the 82% who say they are extremely or very concerned about high prices is the lowest since September 2021. This marks a decline from 89% in January and a high of 93% in July 2022.
Another 8 in 10 voters are concerned about political divisions (78%), while about 7 in 10 feel the same about healthcare (76%), government spending (73%) and a recession (72%). Two-thirds or fewer are worried about immigration (66%), Iran getting a nuclear bomb (66%), Russias invasion of Ukraine (61%) and the stock market (58%).
While theres bipartisan concern about inflation, the parties are split on other issues. Anxiety about a recession and healthcare are the other top issues for Democrats, while Republicans worry more about government spending and immigration.
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“As weve moved from one administration to another and the Trump administration tries to find its footing, many still see our leaders as unresponsive to their main concerns,” says Republican pollster Daron Shaw, who conducts Fox New surveys with Democrat Chris Anderson. “Partisans have flipped, of course, so now its Democrats who are most worried, but many Independents and Republicans are also skeptical their economic fears are being addressed.”
Nearly three-quarters (72%) believe tariffs will drive up the cost of products, including majorities of Democrats (88%), independents (76%) and Republicans (55%). A record 55% think tariffs hurt the economy and a plurality say they hurt U.S. jobs (44% hurt vs. 36% help). Two-thirds worry a trade war with China could escalate into a military confrontation.
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On the Department of Government Efficiencys efforts to reform the federal government, almost half say its likely DOGE will make government more efficient (49%), improve the economy (47%) and improve government services (46%), while fewer expect it will lower their taxes (43%).
A slight majority, 52%, say the Trump administration has not been “competent and effective” in managing the federal government unchanged from the number who said the same in 2017.
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Federal district court judges have challenged some Trump administration policies with regard to, among other things, firing executive branch workers and deporting illegal immigrants. Voters side with the judges, as 58% think they are legitimately exercising their power in accordance with the Constitutions system of checks and balances, while 33% say they are unlawfully interfering with the presidents constitutional authority.
Two-thirds say the president cannot ignore court rulings, and voters are significantly more concerned, by a 19-point margin, about the president disregarding the judiciary than about the courts overstepping their authority.”
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My Earth Day message reflects on a profound and enduring conflict at the intersection of engineering, environmental ethics, and societal responsibility.
As a young university student in the early 70s, every morning for four years, I read this message etched atop the entrance to the engineering building: Strive on. The control of nature is won, not given. It emphasized a mindset that seemed at odds with the Earth Day movement’s precepts of stewardship, sustainability, and the precautionary principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle).
Now, older and wiser, I don’t see technological mastery and environmental preservation as mutually exclusive. Rather, the drive to “control” nature, means to me, designing systems that optimize both human utility and ecological resilience with adaptive management, systems optimization, and collaborative stewardship, rather than domination. It’s an evolution of engineering principles in response to a more complex and constrained world.
Ark,
I read your fond remembrances of when you were a young university student in the 70’s. Was that when you were in Moscow? Also, your exclamation today that Trump has crashed the dollar probably marks a low. I think I’ll buy King dollar and sell gold.
PS-Only Marxists would think they could control nature.
Where I come from famous communist slogan “we will order rain and wind” ‘
https://youtu.be/D6N6BhqBTMU
Wasn’t Manifest Destiny an American idea?
First Ark was obsessed with the CO2 nonsense. Then, he caught TDS and became obsessed with tariffs, thinking the stock market was going to crash. Now, he’s obsessed with “Earth Day”.
Here are some of the predictions from the first Earth Day, in 1970:
Geez Clint,
That makes me want to go out and write a doomsday book.
Some of that was possible when it was written. I remember when the first catalytic converters came out. They required unleaded gas, but made a sulfur smell. Sulfur standards were implemented. The next improvement was fuel injection with an oxygen sensor. Moving forward, we now have throttle by wire. The “gas” pedal sends an electronic signal to the engine controls to increase Hp in the cleanest possible way — unless kids put in an after-market engine control. Aircraft turbines are now 3-stage compressor and turbine combos with Full Authority Digital Engine Controls (FADEC) so the engine monitors itself for optimum power and clean burning without overheating. The cockpit control just tells the engine what level of power the pilot wants. There is no need for a flight engineer anymore. We have come a long way with actual pollution caused by NOx, SOx, and ozone precursors. CO2 is an entirely different topic. Your quotes indicate that you do not understand that. Maybe you are too young and have become accustomed to breathing clean air.
“Maybe you are too young and have become accustomed to breathing clean air. ”
ClinTR may get his chance.
The POTUS is busy undoing decades of pollution control legislation.
Tim S. why are you here? You continually expound on off-topic subjects like internal combustion engines and boilers, but you have no knowledge of the physics involved in climate. So you can’t recognize nonsense when you see it. Want proof?
Tell us why this is nonsense:
10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
Put up or shut up.
Hey Clint R, you should get into an argument with Nate. He likes that kind of thing, and you are one of his favorite customers.
Have fun!
So big-talking Tim S is unable to address even the simplest science question, yet he tries to slur people.
Why is he here?
With respect to Earth Day there are two very important concepts. The move by EPA to designate CO2 as a pollutant was comical at best. The problem is that the people who support such nonsense have not gone away. They will try to do this again in some way.
There is genuine pollution that does need to be controlled. Richard Nixon deserves the credit for agreeing to establish the EPA. The current concern involves the concept of an asymptote. The efforts to limit and control the emissions from both stationary and mobile sources has been very successful.
World-wide shipping interests have agreed to limit the sulfur content of ship fuel. There really are not many other places to make significant gains. China leads the way on spewing the actual pollution from coal which is heavy metals and sulfur. There really is not much left after that. So we are approaching the asymptotic limit. More importantly, we are now way past the optimum point in the cost/benefit curve in many ways.
So when misinformed people talk about undoing pollution controls, they are actually referring to a very rational approach to pollution control, that recognizes the practical limits of trying to squeeze that last little bit that is extremely expensive to contain.
The war in Ukraine will not end soon, as too many people have been killed in airstrikes on Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv and Kharkiv.
Yes, the US peace plan is untenable to Ukraine. The great negotiator basically gave Russia what it wanted.
Such negotiations are extremely difficult.
Putin is a mass-murderer. Think “Stalin”. He doesn’t care if Ukrainians are dying, or Russians are dying. It doesn’t matter to him. Only a highly-skilled negotiator like Trump can end this.
In high-level negotiations you can’t believe anything you hear/see in the media. The public displays are all part of the game. What is going on behind closed doors is what matters.
Stay tuned.
Barry is hoping the peace plan is untenable.
The peace plan is untenable.
It would be like the US giving up Texas and California to end a war with Mexaco.
Trump is not highly skilled at anything.
No, it would be like Mexico losing Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, and Chihuahua to the US and never realizing they couldn’t do anything about it.
The problem with Trump and his administration is that they can’t think more than one move ahead. Hence all the backtracking since they came to office. They have zero anticipation of the consequences of their actions.
So this peace deal isn’t about securing Europe or even Ukraine. It only thinks one move ahead – peace deal = fighting stops.
But Russia will not stop fighting. We’ve already seen them ignore the US/Ukraine ceasefire plan, as well as its own Easter ceasefire announcement. It will not stop encroaching in Ukraine until it has replaced the current government with a pro-Russian one, and ultimately fold Ukraine back into Russia. The administration is either blind to that or just doesn’t think through the consequences. Putin’s public announcements for years have been consistent on Ukraine.
Trump et al have no statecraft. They are deal-makers, at best, interested only in immediate gain. They don’t see the whole chessboard. They simply have no interest in planning for the future.
Up thread, barry made the claim: “I’m not religious at all, but I want religion to be protected, as much as free speech is.”
That’s completely false. barry is VERY religious. It’s just that his cult is a false religion. And he cares little about free speech. That’s why he relies on insults and false accusations to shutdown those offering reality.
You don’t offer reality.
Trump’s encounter with reality.
After weeks of bluster and escalation, President Trump blinked. Then he blinked again. And again.
He entered this trade war on April 2 imagining a simpler era in which imposing punishing tariffs would force companies around the world to build factories in the United States.
He will end the month discovering that the world of modern supply chains is far more complex than he bargained for, and that it is far from clear his “beautiful” tariffs will have the effects he predicted.
He has put himself and the country in a bad situation but doesn’t realize it yet.
1/ Around April 10th China to USA trade shut down. It takes ~30 days for containers to go from China to LA. 45 to Houston by sea, 45 to Chicago by train. 55 to New York by sea.
2/ That means that there are no economic effects of what was done on April 10th until about May 10th. Around that time (it’s already started to happen) trucking work is going to dry up. Warehouses will start layoffs because no labor is needed to unload containers and some products will be out of stock, reducing the need for shipping labor.
3/ All this will start in the Los Angeles area. After about 2 weeks, it’ll start hitting Chicago and Houston.
4/ Let’s say the White House, after 3 weeks, changes its mind, on May 31st. “Tariffs back to 0,” and let’s say China says “we’ll go back to how things were.” Let’s say every factory in China that got screwed by their orders being cancelled says the same thing “no problem, we’ll make and ship.”
5/ The problem is, it will be at least another 30 days before economic activity is revived. And that’s just in LA. In Chicago/Houston, you’ll need to wait another 45 days. New York, at that point, will still be getting containers from before April 10th, they will then have 50 days (May 31 minus April 10) of zero economic activity at the ports, in trucking of Chinese goods, and in warehousing.
6/ It’s almost like we’re speeding towards a brick wall but the driver of the car doesn’t see it yet.
By the time he does, it’ll be too late to hit the brakes.
Ark, did you believe that years of trade ripoffs were going to be corrected in one day, with no impacts?
Well, enjoy your learning experience….
I’m enjoying puffman’s meltdowns…
Now Ark, that sounds like something a child like RLH would say.
Is TDS ruining your brain?
Puffman has a glass jaw. He should man up!
Don’t try to fake macho, Ark. I’m all too familiar with your effeminate hand-wringing. You’re afraid of everything because you understand NOTHING.
Puffman, it seems my post struck a nerve, it hit a vein!
Man up!
You’re a MAGAt. Quit agreeing with my posts.
Ark, you’ve completely lost it. TDS has destroyed your brain.
Gordon Robertson.
Your April 22 at 11:22 PM reply to my Earth Day message reflects several misunderstandings of climate science and misrepresents both data and established physical principles. It relies on rhetorical skepticism rather than engagement with empirical evidence.
First, the remark “One whole degree C!!!” appears to downplay the significance of a 1°C rise in global average temperature. While the number may seem small in isolation, in the context of Earth’s climate system, such a change represents a substantial increase in the planet’s energy balance. Even seemingly minor shifts in global temperature have profound consequences for weather patterns, sea levels, and ecosystems, as extensively documented in the scientific literature.
The suggestion that science is inherently untrustworthy because it is conducted by fallible human beings is a mischaracterization. While science is a human endeavor and subject to error, it is also structured around methods that are specifically designed to minimize bias, such as peer review, reproducibility, and empirical validation. Critiquing scientific findings requires engaging with the evidence, not dismissing the process wholesale.
Regarding the reference to the Little Ice Age, it is true that Earth experienced a natural warming phase following that period. However, the rate and magnitude of warming observed since the mid-20th century cannot be explained by natural variability alone. Numerous attribution studies demonstrate that the dominant driver of recent warming is increased concentrations of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, particularly CO2.
Finally, the claim that CO2 can only warm the atmosphere by “0.06 C per 1 C rise” lacks any credible scientific foundation. It disregards well-established radiative transfer theory and the extensive observational and modeling work that underpins estimates of climate sensitivity. Current consensus places equilibrium climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 between 2°C and 4.5°C, far exceeding your guestimate.
More evidence coming out that Garcia is in fact a member of MS 13. So the defendent’s lawyer presented information to the court that stated the Wester Clique of MS13 does not operate in Maryland but the DOJ says the Western Clique operates everywhere including Maryland and DC. Also, when Garcia was first detained hanging out at the Home Depot he was in the presence of two confirmed MS13 gang members. Also, watch the wife’s interview with Good Morning America. It is obvious she is afraid of retribution from MS13 if she speaks out against him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno
“What we know about Kilmar Abrego Garcia and MS-13 allegations” BBC Verify.
BBC, LOL. Also, we find out that the withholding order was for removal to Guatemala. So, there was no withholding for removal to El Salvador. Garcia’s attorney lied. Also, Trump invoking the AEA, can supersede any withholding order. Which actually didn’t exist for El Salvador.
RLH,
That BBC story is the same talking points ricocheting off every leftist media wall in the US.
“Also, we find out that the withholding order was for removal to Guatemala. So, there was no withholding for removal to El Salvador.”
Nope. Your sources are rubbish. I keep telling you. The government has already admitted he was deported to el Salvador against a withholding of removal order to that country.
This is from the Supreme Court:
“The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf
The confirmation of withholding order to el Salvador is in multiple court records now.
So who is telling you lies, stephen? Is it Trump administration officials, or some blogger?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnIwzLz1V9I
“Trump FOLDS as SCOTUS Calls His BLUFF”
Whereas Stephen gets his news from the back alleys of the internet.
And then is perplexed that his ‘facts’ turn out to be wrong.
Fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy7mAxU3-RY
“Stick A Fork In Tesla”.
Trump is above the law. So sayeth Stephen. Et al.
I would not expect much rational thinking or valid information sources from stephen p andeson
He is a fanatic extremist and does not care at all about integrity or truth. He belirves what he believes because it supports his emotional core. Je is not a thinker!
Nope, my sources aren’t rubbish. My sources are the actual immigration court documents. His Mom and Sister’s business was in Guatemala, not El Salvador.
Kilmar had no withholding to El Salvador:
https://cis.org/Arthur/Judge-Orders-Return-Alien-Removed-El-Salvador-Administrative-Error
Also, as you read through the analysis you discover that Kilmar’s withholding order had no legal authority.
“Kilmar had no withholding to El Salvador:
https://cis.org/Arthur/Judge-Orders-Return-Alien-Removed-El-Salvador-Administrative-Error ”
That source does not say what you said it does:
“If there is a minute order, it may well show that the immigration judge withheld removal to Guatemala…”
What is floated as a possibility is transformed in your oh-so neutral observation as a certainty.
So is the problem not with your sources, but only with your inability to read straight?
Nope, your sources as still rubbish.
If your source had done due diligence they would have discovered from the online court filings that the withholding order was for el Salvador, not Guatemala.
Nevermind that the district court and SCOTUS already verified this, Trump’s DOJ itself verified the withholding order was for el Salvador in their response to the district court where Abrego Garcia’s wife appealed his removal:
“Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10..
On March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error.”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.0_2.pdf
That’s a filing written by DOJ lawyers. Your source is a hack.
So that’s how you misinform yourself. Instead of going to the source documents you get linked to a partisan hack who presents “maybe” misinformation, which you then double down on to make it “definitely” misinformation.
Do you have any interest in informing yourself from source?
Here is all the 2025 filings on Abrego Garcia in the Maryland court.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-v-noem/
List of filings for the first appeal in the 4th circuit.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69847836/kilmar-abrego-garcia-v-kristi-noem/
The 2nd appeal in the 4th circuit.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69902650/kilmar-abrego-garcia-v-kristi-noem/
And here is all the filings for Abrego Garcia from this year in the United States Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a949.html
Your source had access to all this, as I do, but has omitted significant portions of information – or has the same confirmation bias you do and their eyes glazed when they read information that didn’t suit their “interpretation.”
Go to source, stephen. Don’t get second hand reports, because it’s virtually certain the algorithm is feeding you what you want to hear.
I’m interested in your thoughts on this, stephen.
As you’ve mentioned above, immigration cases are heard by DOJ judges, as was the case with Abrego Garcia.
So if the withholding order was for Guatemala, that would mean the current DOJ lawyers are extremely incompetent, as they filed in agreement that the withholding of removal order was to el Salvador.
So, are they correct in their filing, or are they so incompetent that they don’t know how to read their own records?
Wow, Trump says, under pressure from him, Russia made a huge concession toward peace.
They do not want ALL of Ukraine.
OTOH, Trump was touched by the ‘beautiful’ painting of him raising his fist, gifted to him by Putin.
nate…once again, we need to back up and see what this is about. I am not condoning Russia or any other country invading another country but there were mitigating circumstances that have been ignored by the Western media.
When the USSR broke up circa 1990, the Ukraine was formed using arbitrary boundaries. The Ukraine had not originated as a country that was taken over by the USSR, it did not exist till the USSR created it as a soviet. Till then, the Ukraine only existed as an area that was quibbled over by several factions.
During that time, Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, granted Crimea to the soviet of Ukraine. That raises the question as to whether a Ukraine arbitrarily formed after the breakup of the USSR was entitled to Crimea, which was actually part of the USSR.
Another problem resulted from native Russians (millions of them) being included in the newly minted country called Ukraine, particularly in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine. The same thing happened in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Ren will know more about this being Polish but I think there are issues between Poland and the Ukraine as well over land claims.
From the outset, the newly created country of the Ukraine has been riddled with corruption, mainly from old style USSR related governance procedures that could not be let go. Finally, circa 2013, they got a president who the international community agreed had been fairly elected. Within a year, factions within the Ukraine who were armed infiltrated a peaceful protest, turning it violent, and ultimately forced that president to run for his life.
That action was encouraged by both the EU and the US, who fought over who should replace that President BEFORE he was run off. That kind of meddling in Ukrainian internal affairs is similar to what the Russians are doing now. And it’s similar to what Trump is trying to do in the Ukraine by holding them hostage over their natural resources.
The EU obviously wanted the Ukraine to join them, and NATO, and that’s where Putin put his foot down. He made it clear that the Ukraine would never be allowed to join NATO. However, the deal the EU tried to sell the Ukraine for inclusion in the EU was something the president could not agree to. He ultimately favoured a deal with Russia which would not have been so harmful to the working class.
I don’t know what the facts are there but I find it repugnant that the Ukrainian army and police, and both NATO, the EU, and the US would stand by while a democratically-elected president was run off by armed militants. That is unacceptable in any democratic country.
The EU and the US must have known this armed rebellion was imminent because both were arguing over who should replace the sitting president. The several million Russians in the Ukraine who voted for the sitting president were not at all happy about him being run off and they rebelled. They were written off in the Western media as troublemakers with no explanation as to why they were PO’d. Brutal action taken against them by Kyiv was rationalized as necessary to keep the peace.
Meantime, Putin had taken note that fellow Russians were being brutalized. Initially, when they ran off the president, he took Crimea. It took him another 8 years to attack the Ukraine but there was plenty of warning that such an action was imminent should Kyiv keep up its assaults on Russians in the Donbass region.
One of Putin’s gripes was that Kyiv had sent in a particularly brutal division, the Azov battalion, who had Nazi swastikas tattooed on them and bore the Nazi SS insignia on their flags. To a Russian who had fought in WW II that is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Azov had already been censured by the US Congress for their Nazi sympathies.
When Putin attacked he gave two reason. One was to get rid of the Azov battalion, which he did, and the other was to give Russians in the Donbass region a chance to vote to determine their future. I am waiting to see if he’ll do that and if such an election will be fair.
Heard all of this Russia Today propaganda before from you Gordon. It is very much like the justifications given by Germany just before invading Czechoslovakia in 1938 and Poland in 1939.
Main point is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation, which Russia agreed to by Treaty in 1993, and thus has every right to make their own internal policies.
It’s far too easily verifiable to be propaganda, Nate. That’s if you want to take the time to verify it.
Of course, you follow the propaganda of catastrophic climate change so I can’t really expect you to think for yourself, which is not high on a climate alarmist’s agenda.
Just yanking your chain, Nate.
ren…”The war in Ukraine will not end soon, as too many people have been killed in airstrikes on Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv and Kharkiv”.
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Ren…these kinds of strikes did not happen till Kyiv stupidly used US supplied long-range missiles to strike inside Russia. I mean, what kind of ijits do that to a country that has nuclear weapons?
You have to give Putin some credit. He said he was targeting the Donbass region and that’s what he had done til the Ukrainians started firing long-range missiles at Russia, as well as drones.
The Kyiv government is unduly influenced by right-wing radicals who got them into this mess. The Ukraine has a long tradition of these radicals dating back to 1929 and they backed the Nazis during WW II. They are no friend of Poland and I don’t understand why you defend them.
In 2016, the radicals/nationalists, forced the president to pass a law honouring Ukrainian Nazi war criminals, like Bandera and the SS Galacia, a Ukrainian SS Nazi Division.
Something from Poland…
https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/12/04/law-banning-glorification-of-ukrainian-nationalist-bandera-proposed-by-polish-opposition/
This is the same Bandera some Ukrainians want to honour as a Ukrainian hero for fighting with the Nazis against Russia, who were on the Allied side.
yonnipun…”The earth starts its movement with south pole closer to the sun and on the other side of the orbit the north pole is closer to the sun”.
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The Earth is closest to the Sun in January when the South Pole is closest to the Sun. That means the Southern hemisphere, which is mostly ocean, gets the hottest solar energy. By the time the Earth moves around its orbit where it is farthest from the Sun, the North Pole is pointed toward the Sun.
The difference in solar intensity is likely not a lot since Antarctic ice is not melting at all on the continent proper. There is a bit of melt further up the peninsula, closer to the latitude of the tip of South America.
Please note that South America is not in the United States. Tee Hee. And, Hawaii is not in America.
When the Northern Hemisphere points toward the Sun, a greater area of the polar region is exposed than when the Southern Hemisphere points toward the Sun. Ergo, almost the entire Arctic Ocean melts in summer whereas the Antarctic continent doesn’t melt at all in the SH summer.
The interior plateau of Antarctica seldom exceeds -20C, even in summer. The Arctic will rise to an average of 10C, so it warms more than Antarctica.
Not getting your point re the tilt, however.
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“For example the pannanger jet starts a journey around the world. It has a tilt its right wing is closer to the ground. But at the other side of the globe its left wing must be closer to the globe. How could this happen?”
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An airliner hopefully flies with its bottom end facing the ground and its wings horizontal, along a tangent line which is instantaneously orthogonal to a radial line from Earth’s centre. Therefore, neither wing should be closer to the surface. The point is, however, if the plane orbits the earth, say at 35,000 feet, it keeps the underside pointed at the surface.
The point to note is that the airliner is not rotating about its COG in any direction. Spinners claim it is, but if the plane did rotate as they claim, it would crash. An airliner orbiting in a safe mode is performing only curvilinear rotation without local rotation. Same as the Moon.
ark…”The suggestion that science is inherently untrustworthy because it is conducted by fallible human beings is a mischaracterization”.
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I did not say, or try to infer, that science as a whole is untrustworthy. In fact, I trust much of the science that has been legitimately preformed.
I find it amusing, however, that you use peer review as a reference. Whereas the system was likely fair at one time, albeit designed to keep people without formal training, like Michael Faraday, from publishing, the peer review process has become notoriously corrupt.
BTW…the problem facing Faraday was his lack of ability to state his theories using complex math, even though the theories proved correct and are still used today. It was Maxwell who bailed him out by translating his work mathematically. Wouldn’t you know that Maxwell gets the credit for Faraday’s clever work.
a good deal of science involves blatant snobbery.
Ask Roy or John Christy of UAH and Richard Lindzen, all of whom have been victimized by corrupt peer reviewers. In fact, two IPCC Coordinating Lead Authors ganged up to prevent a paper co-authored by John Christy from reaching their review stage. When Lindzen contacted a journal editor to inquire into a delay in publishing the editor told him the delay was due to his skeptical views.
Excuse me???!!!!
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“Regarding the reference to the Little Ice Age, it is true that Earth experienced a natural warming phase following that period. However, the rate and magnitude of warming observed since the mid-20th century cannot be explained by natural variability alone”.
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According to Syun Akasofu, and eminent geophysicist, who pioneered studies in the solar wind, it can. He claimed that Earth should rewarm at about 0.5C/century and if it did cool up to 2C, we are still on track for such a rewarming from natural variability.
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Finally, the claim that CO2 can only warm the atmosphere by 0.06 C per 1 C rise lacks any credible scientific foundation. It disregards well-established radiative transfer theory and the extensive observational and modeling work that underpins estimates of climate sensitivity. Current consensus places equilibrium climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 between 2C and 4.5C, far exceeding your guestimate”.
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I have laid it out for you in detail using the Ideal Gas Law. You did not critique my science even though I have gone through the exercise several times. Furthermore, Gerlich & Tscheuschner, both with expertise in thermodynamics, claimed the same amount using the heat diffusion equation.
You have not defeated my argument, all you’ve done is introduce intangibles like consensus, peer review opinion, and climate models, which are nothing more than computer programs written by people who cannot possibly understand the complexity of the atmosphere.
Use some hard science and prove I’m wrong. I would welcome errors in my analysis and I would enjoy discussing it with you without hostility.
ark…a paper from Syun Akasofu on the Little Ice Age that is unlikely to reach the IPCC review stage.
https://www.scirp.org/pdf/NS20101100012_47058306.pdf
I have just skimmed the first part in which he reveals that ocean oscillations have worked to slow the rewarming during certain decades.
I’d like to hear your comments and those of others.
BTW…Akasofu is an important scientist who pioneered early studies in the solar wind.
cv…
https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/akasofu-syun-ichi-1930
I can’t believe it. I agree with Rand Paul and Steve Bannon on the same day!
Rand Paul:
Steve Bannon:
Gordon Robertson.
1/ Peer review is not perfect but is the best quality-control mechanism we have. Sweeping condemnation is intellectually lazy.
Peer review, in its recognizable modern form, did not exist during Faraday’s lifetime. However, despite having limited formal education, Faraday published extensively in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, one of the leading scientific journals of his time.
Faraday relied on experimental insight and conceptual thinking and was particularly brilliant at visualizing fields.
Maxwell did indeed formalize Faraday’s field concepts using differential equations, but this was a natural progression of theory building, neither a rescue nor a usurpation. Maxwell revered Faraday, openly crediting him as the originator of the field concept. Both Faraday and Maxwell are credited appropriately within the scientific canon.
2/ Akasofu has long been relegated to the dustbin of history. https://skepticalscience.com/akasofu-LIA-recovery.htm
3/ The fundamental error in your analysis is that the ideal gas law is a thermodynamic equation of state that says nothing about radiative heat transfer. Radiative heat transfer is the principal mechanism by which greenhouse gases affect atmospheric temperature.
The “hard science” of radiative heat transfer is readily available, and accessible to anyone genuinely interested in learning it.
Ark waxes philosophically: The “hard science” of radiative heat transfer is readily available, and accessible to anyone genuinely interested in learning it.
But Ark can’t say how CO2’s 15μ photons can raise Earth’s 288K average surface temperature. Because “hard science” says that can’t happen.
That’s why the CO2 nonsense is bogus.
Clint R
How many times has the effect been explinerd to you and you still cannot understand it??? Roy Spencer has explined the effect in a blog post a few years back! The CO2 acts as a radint insulator. It allows the source of energy, the Sun, to inrease the surface temperature. Similar to home insulation allows a furnace to keep a home warmer than it would be without such insulation. How many more times will you not understand the basic concept?
Wrong again Norman. You STILL are confusing the “atmospheric effect” with CO2. It is nitrogen and oxygen that produce Earth’s “blanket”. CO2 emits energy to space and to the surface. The 15μ photons back to Earth can NOT raise the temperature of the 288K surface.
You can’t understand because you don’t understand basic radiative physics and thermodynamics.
Clint R
I an NOT saying CO2 is increasing the temp of the 288 K surface!! I am saying it acts as a radiant insulator. Even though it emits it emits both ways! You do not accept science but they have measured values of reduction in IR to space because of CO2. In the 15 micron band there is less emission to space than would be without the CO2 blanket!
If you’re now agreeing with me Norman, that CO2 can NOT raise Earth’s surface temperature, then why the false accusation?
Why do you want to be such a child? You need to be mad at the cult that misled you, not me.
Most people here don’t know thermodynamix from aerodynamix , they refuse to learn you cannot just add radion willy nilly to get the desired temperature,
The quantum fizzix is lost on them
Stephen claims the USA Supreme Court is in error now also.
This is from the Supreme Court:
The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador
The Supreme Court isn’t going to be too happy now that they know they were lied to.
Also RLH, as you might not realize, that site is an advocate for immigrants and they admit this whole thing is bunk.
What fundamentals do you think exists in the USA?
The DOJ has also said Abrego Garcia was on a withholding order to el Salvador.
stephen just believes what he hears on blogs that tell him what he wants to hear.
DOJ court filing:
“Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10…
On March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error.”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.0_2.pdf
So I guess stephen’s next move is to announce that the DOJ can’t read its own records and is thus incompetent.
To the which I think many, including me, would heartily agree.
Robert Gouveia reviews the order. The truth is a tough nut to crack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9cBp-sIBA&t=220s
DOJ says:
“Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10…
On March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error.”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.0_2.pdf
The DOJ issued the withholding order in the first place, so unless you believe they are grossly incompetent, perhaps we can assume the DOJ knows more than the blowhards you keep linking us to.
Also, you said upthread SCOTUS will be annoyed at being “lied to.” So you’re saying the DOJ is lying?
Man, your confirmation bias is like concrete.
Which now we know isn’t true. He granted him withholding from Guatemala. This is why you are a Marxist propagandist, Barry. You deny truth.
No, the judge had several opportunities to correct it and he kept it as Guatemala. It wasn’t El Salvador.
The DOJ issued the withholding from removal order, and they said it is to el Salvador. They said it was to el Salvador to the Maryland District Court, and they said the same thing to SCOTUS. Every court they’ve appeared before confirms what they themselves say about their own withholding order.
Are you saying DOJ don’t understand their own withholding order? Are you saying that they are so incompetent that they made the same mistake 3 times in each of the courts they have recently faced about Abrego Garcia?
Or rather, are you completely blind to what DOJ themselves have written, and instead rely on blog/vlog blowhards who have only speculated on this, apparently in complete ignorance themselves of the fact DOJ has confirmed the withholding order was to el Salvador?
You really do have the most extreme case of confirmation bias I’ve ever seen. I quote DOJ and link to their court filing – and your eyes and brain just slide right past it as if it doesn’t exist.
Ohlook! Another waffling blogger isn’t sure about the facts. I stephen, now present their uncertainty as demonstrated fact, and ignore what the source material says.
This is exactly how you operate, stephen. You are cognitively disconnected from reality.
You see folks, Barry is a centrist. He is slightly left of center. He is just like your neighbor. He walks his dog. He mows his lawn just like you or I. He sees the actual court order written by Judge David Jones and he says that isn’t the order. The order is something else. It is some blogger making stuff up. Barry is a master of deceit like any good Marxist.
DOJ’s filing to the Maryland district court:
“Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10…”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.0_2.pdf
DOJ’s file for a stay at the 4th Circuit appeals court:
“On October 10, 2019, an immigration judge issued a final removal order denying Abrego Garcias application for asylum and protection under the CAT, but granting him statutory withholding of removal to El Salvador.”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258.3.1_1.pdf
DOJ’s second appeal at the 4th Circuit:
“While Defendants did not go through the formal procedures to terminate Abrego Garcia’s withholding-of-removal order to El Salvador…”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400.4.1.pdf
DOJ filing at the Supreme Court:
“…the gravamen of respondents’ complaint is that the government made an administrative error in executing Abrego Garcias removal order by removing him to El Salvador- the country to which he had been granted withholding of removal…”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24A949/355002/20250408122537695_Abrego%20Garcia%20Reply.pdf
So you’re telling me the DOJ has gone through 4 different court proceedings and have never realized that their own withholding order was to Guatemala, not le Salvador?
If only they weren’t so incompetent, this case would already be over!
But in fact, it’s your sources that are incompetent. 3 courts, ICE ands the DOJ have not got this fact wrong. Your internet hacks have – and they were speculating anyway.
Barry and his minions have already wrecked Australia. Canada is already wrecked. Most of the rest of the world is already wrecked. His goal like most Marxists is to go after the last bastion of freedom. Barry believes in rules for thee but not for me. You could show Barry a real vision of a Marxist future and Barry would deny it. These self-appointed experts like Barry are never subject to the fruits of their vision, the wreckage they leave behind. They peddle their brilliance but when their plans come crashing down they blame others and claim others messed with their plan or they just need a better plan. Barry is not driven by facts but by a vision of the anointed.
Barry,
The case already is over. You just don’t realize it.
So do you think the DOJ have been lying about the withholding order?
You haven’t once acknowledged DOJ says the withholding order is for el Salvador. They’ve said it multiple times in court.
Or are you saying that DOJ has been wholly incompetent with this. That they can’t read their own withholding order?
Barry,
I think Judge David Jones wrote Guatemala and that’s what he meant. I think the withholding to Guatemala is invalid because it was incorrectly entered. No one had gone back to look at the original order until now and had assumed it was El Salvador.
So you must think the DOJ is incompetent, then.
Illegal immigration is a problem in the US, but that doesn’t excuse the government breaking the law. The Trump administration could have gone about making good on their election promises without violating the constitution and thus getting told to stop by SCOTUS.
Judge Jones wrote el Salvador many more times than Guatemala.
The US is supposed to deport someone to their country of origin, not just to any country (unless the deportee and the nominated country agree).
Abrego Garcia sought asylum in the US rather than be returned to el Salvador – this was denied.
In the same appeal to Judge Jones’ court Abrego Garcia sought relief from being returned to el Salvador under the Convention against Torture – this was denied.
Jones begins his treatment of Abrego Garcia saying he was afraid to be returned to his home country of el Salvador.
Guatemala was mentioned along with reference to other court cases, once suggesting that was where his family was living (probably a clerical error), and once when the ruling said DHS could not guarantee Guatemala was safe.
So you have only one mention of Guatemala that is questionable, re the DHS,and that is likely a clerical error.
The rest of the document talks about el Salvador, and that is where the withholding of removal order was for.
DOJ and three courts confirm.
This debate was over the moment DOJ confirmed it in Maryland early last month.
No, the withholding was to Guatemala, not El Salvador. You can read can’t you Barry? Three times the withholding was to Guatemala.
“DHS has not shown that there are changed circumstances in Guatemala.”
You can’t have withholding to two countries, Barry.
So you think you know better then the DoJ?
“The Respondent is a native and citizen of El Salvador.
A. Respondent
The Respondent is a 24-year old native of El Salvador. He was born in 1995 in Los Nogales neighborhood, San Salvador, El Salvador. The Respondent testified that he fears returning to his country because the Barrio 18 gang was targeting him and threatening him with death…”
Those are the first mentions of Garcia and any country in the withholding ruling.
Here’s others:
“The family believed them, because they were well aware of the rampant corruption of the police in El Salvador and they believed that if they reported it to the police, the police would do nothing…
The other two particular social groups are: 1) Salvadoran male deportees labeled as MS-13 gang members by U.S. law enforcement…
…former members of Mara 18 gang in El Salvador who
renounced gang membership do not constitute a particular social group…
Here, the Respondent has not shown that it is ‘more likely than not’ that he would be tortured if he were to be removed to E! Salvador.”
I wonder why Trump’s DoJ says the withholding order was for el Salvador.
Another clue – that is the only country they COULD have deported him to in 2019 – until the withholding order.
You cannot deport people any old where. They have to go back to their country of origin, unless there is an arrangement with a third country. DHS couldn’t have deported him to Guatemala anyway.
Pretty amazing that you have zero to say about DoJ confirming the withholding order was to el Salvador.
The confirmation bias is extraordinary. “Nope, I don’t see no DoJ saying nothing!”
Notice again, when Stephen is presented with clear evidence that is inconvenient to his theory, he just starts calling everyone and the evidence Marxist.
It is really getting predictable.
Barry, are there any government agencies that aren’t inefficient? I guess there is a fine line between incompetence and ineficiency.
Also, a deportation order does not always specify a country. It just states you are ordered to leave the US.
Barry and Nate’s, the Marxists that they are, position is open the flood gates and let 10,000 illegals in per day but you have to try them one at a time to deport. These two hide behind our Constitution while loathing our Constitution.
Barry and Nate,
Do you agree with Joe Biden that our border laws are broken and that we must pass the Biden Border reform to control the border?
Stephen, this kind of thing give you a warm and fuzzy feeling?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article305077166.html
“Tampa woman deported to Cuba gets separated from one-year-old and U.S. citizen husband
A Cuban woman living in Tampa who came to the United States in 2019 and is married to a U.S. citizen was abruptly detained by immigration authorities and deported to Cuba on Thursday, leaving behind her one-year-old child. Heidy Sánchez, 44, a Hillsborough County resident, was among 82 Cuban migrants sent on a plane from Miami back to Cuba on Thursday morning, her husband, Carlos Yuniel Valle, told the Miami Herald. Her deportation has been so sudden and traumatic for their infant daughter, still breastfeeding and with ongoing health issues, that her grandmother was taking her to the hospital, he said in a phone interview on Friday.”
Nate,
Watch Tom Holman at the White House Press Briefing today for my answer. Nate, so is it OK to separate a woman from her baby if she commits a felony and is sentenced to prison? Or does the baby give her a pass for committing felonies?
What felony? What prison? Red herring.
Looks like it does give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.
If you marry a foreigner, and have a child, why should your family be kept apart?
“Also, a deportation order does not always specify a country. It just states you are ordered to leave the US.”
A deportation order means that you will be taken from the US to your home country.
US and international law specifies that anyone deported must go to their home country, unless a third country agrees to take a non-citizen.
“Do you agree with Joe Biden that our border laws are broken”
I’ve already said that illegal immigration in the US is a problem, and the fact it is a problem doesn’t excuse law-breaking.
I’m all for the US rectifying the issue. My criticism is with the method.
Gordon, I just wanted to make an example that if you start flying around the world with right wing closer to the ground( intentional tilt) then at the other side of the world the airplane also should have the right wing closer to the ground.
But the earth supposedly at one point starts its orbit around the sun with south pole closer to the sun and at the other side of the sun the north pole is closer to the sun.
For an airplane to move like the earth it should change its tilt at the other side of the world or its should move like the MOTR – flying backwards at the other side of the world.
by pilots It is called bank
In fact it’s pitch you should watch.
After flying a complete circumnavigation the raw data from the gyroscopes in the Inertial Navigation System will show that the aircraft has pitched down through 360 degrees.(as though the aircraft has flown an enormous outside loop.
Indeed one pilot completed a circumnavigation and then flew a loop. He then claimed the record for the largest ever vertical eight.
Canada’s election is in 3 days, and Trump has managed a minor miracle completely reviving a Liberal Party that was on life-support with less than a 1% chance of winning elections in Canada at the beginning of January.
Trudeau had resigned. A Conservative took a seat in Toronto that Libs had held for DECADES. Pollsters said Cons would win in a landslide, and Trump wannabe Pierre Poilievre would be the next Prime Minister.
Enter Trump and his stunning, stupid desire to annex Canada, destroy our treaties, impose crushing tariffs and redraw Canada’s borders to give the US control of 100% of the Great Lakes. He wants to plunder Canada’s natural resources, steal its mineral wealth, suck out its oil, and fell its massive forests, all for himself.
Record numbers of Canadians voted early, a 25% increase over the last election. Almost no one gives the Cons a chance at taking the government, even though they had a 29% lead just 3 months ago.
The fact that Trump doesn’t even care about what he has single-handedly done to destroy the Conservative Party’s lead in national elections that wrap up Monday, ought to give even his staunchest supporters pause.
Normally I’d say “hey, you voted for this,” but even I didn’t have Trump COMPLETELY ANNIHILATING our friendly relationship with Canada on my bingo card.
Another fun one, Ark. I especially chuckled at He wants to plunder Canada’s natural resources, steal its mineral wealth, suck out its oil, and fell its massive forests, all for himself.
Keep going with the insanity. We are entertained by your TDS.
It’s official!
I’m living rent-free inside Puffman’s head.
It’s a rundown place, there is no view, but there’s lots of space.
Ark is like a bumbling clown. He’s just silly, but you can’t help being entertained.
What will he do next?
ark…it’s tough living in a vacuum, rent free or not.
Ark,
If the Marxists win then you can stick a fork in Canada.
Canada is negotiating with Mexico. 32nd state.
We’ve already got the cartels.
Apparently, China wants to negotiate with us as well.
Although I don’t agree with the way China is run, I see a positive in dealing with them in that we set a decent example of democracy. The first thing we’ll need to do is remove the 100% tariff we agreed to impose on Chinese electric vehicles in support of the US. Now that we don’t need to worry about that, we can focus on good trade with China.
ark, the comedian, quotes Skeptical Science….
“2/ Akasofu has long been relegated to the dustbin of history. https://skepticalscience.com/akasofu-LIA-recovery.htm”
I’ll get the ad homs out of the way first. SkS is run by John Cook who claims to be a solar physicist. He is actually an undergrad and earns a living as a cartoonist, which is apt given the nonsense on his site.
He is known to have impersonated physicist Lubos Motl and to have dressed up in a Nazi uniform. He is also responsible for part of the misinformation that 98% of climate scientists agree that humans are causing the current warming.
In the article, the theme is that Akasofu provided no proof of rewarming from the LIA and used curve fitting to back his allegation. Just so happens that Akasofu is a real solar physicist who pioneered studies in the solar wind. He offers plenty of evidence to back his claims of rewarming from the LIA, then again, it require a certain skill to actually read his article and comprehend it. Comprehension is not a strong suit at SkS and you exhibit an equal lack of comprehension by blindly quoting them.
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“3/ The fundamental error in your analysis is that the ideal gas law is a thermodynamic equation of state that says nothing about radiative heat transfer. Radiative heat transfer is the principal mechanism by which greenhouse gases affect atmospheric temperature”.
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Yet another example of your lack of comprehension. The IGL covers pressure, mass, temperature and volume relationships in a gas. Temperature is a measure of heat. The IGL and the heat diffusion equation are measuring the ability of a trace gas to transfer heat to the rest of the atmosphere AFTER it has absorbed surface radiation and warmed.
It CO2 cannot transfer heat after warming what is the point of the GHE and AGW? Both theories are dependent on the fact that the amount of heat transferred is significant. In fact, alarmists are claiming a 9% to 25% warming factor without a shred of proof.
The 0.06C figure is an upper case. There are many other issues involved such as the inverse square law, which limits the effect of CO2 warming from surface radiation to a few feet above the surface.
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“The hard science of radiative heat transfer is readily available, and accessible to anyone genuinely interested in learning it”.
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The hard science is actually thermodynamics, there being no such science as a radiative heat transfer discipline. Although in the day of Clausius, the science was lacking re radiative heat transfer theory, he was smart enough to get it that the entity being transferred was heat. He made it clear that heat transfer by radiation must obey the 2nd law.
This quibbling over the 2nd law is just plain silly. The 2nd law can be applied to any form of energy since it is simply stating the obvious, that energy cannot be transferred, by it’s own means, from a lower energy potential to a higher energy potential.
In case that goes over your head, a cooler area is an area of lower potential energy whereas a hotter area is an area of higher potential energy.
Also, the notion that heat is transferred both ways between bodies at different temperatures is equally bogus. Bohr’s theory of the relationship between heat (kinetic energy) and electromagnetic energy makes it abundantly clear that electrons will not transfer heat both ways.
Radiative energy is not a two way process anyway, it is emitted isotropically from two bodies in a system and only part of the spherical radiation will impinge on either body. As such, we only receive a tiny amount of solar energy and to claim Earth’s surface radiation affects the Sun is more propaganda than fact.
So, radiation from either body can reach the other but that is not an energy transfer. Any energy transferred must first be transformed from EM to that energy, like heat. Even the heat is not transferred since the original heat is lost as EM is created making any created heat ‘new’ heat.
The error in the two-way theory is based on the incorrect anachronism that heat flows through air (actually a theorized aether) as heat rays. I guess some modern scientists are still under the impression that IR is heat, and when it flows both ways they presume, incorrectly, that the IR represents a two-way heat transfer.
Actually, these arguments based on equations of state, reference frames, etc., are nothing more than red-herring arguments. They make no difference whatsoever in most contexts other than to provide a clever, yet incorrect argument.
Clausius explained an equation of state well. With the Ideal Gas Law or any relationship between P, V, and T, all that needs to be known are the initial and final conditions. Anything that goes on in-between is irrelevant. For that reason, Clausius claimed that knowledge of internal energy is not required as long as external initial and final parameters like P, V, and T are known.
It means, with the relationship PV = nRT that the relationship holds throughout a process. That is P1V1 = nRT1 will have the same relationship as P2V2 =nRT2.
Of course, the above holds mainly for gases at low pressures and temperatures. I think it safe to say that describes the atmosphere.
It was through that relationship for final and initial states that he derived the 2nd law. Anyone wanting to understand why heat cannot be transferred cold to hot, by its own means, needs to follow the reasoning of Clausius and his state diagrams of P, V and T.
Of course, Bohr’s work explains it for radiation.
yonni…”Just wanted to also ask something about gravity.
Simple balance weighing scale…..
Why does it balance? If one weight is lower than the other , should not the gravity affect it more as it is closer to the ground?”
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Think of it in forces, or accelerations.
Weight is a force exerted on a mass in a gravitational field. That is, mass is the object in the field and weight is the effect of gravitational force on the mass.
Note…weight is not mass, which is the quantity of matter in an object. If there is no gravitational force acting on a mass the mass has no weight. If you step on a weight scale, it is the force exerted by gravity on your body that activates the scale.
If two masses of equal mass are suspended equidistant from a fulcrum, then the forces exerted on each mass are equal. Therefore the masses balance. However, if one mass is greater, gravity exerts a greater force on it, and it unbalances the scale.
This is the same reason that two masses of different mass fall at the same rate. The gravitational force acting on each mass is proportional to the mass. From f = ma = mg, f1/m1 = g = f2/m2. That is, both masses accelerate at the same rate.
This is about inertia as well, a bigger mass requires more force to overcome its inertia (resistance to motion when a force is applied). This is true only in a vacuum since air pressure can affect the masses as well. Air pressure can limit a falling human body to 120 mph, not that its any comfort.
Gordon, I wanted to ask if one weight is closer to the ground then g is bigger for that weight. The scale should not balance.
yonni…this problem becomes a matter of torque rather than a comparison of two unequal masses acting independently. It is true that the force being applied to the greater mass is greater than the force being applied to the smaller mass. I’ll try to clarify as we go along.
g is a constant for both masses where a gravitational field accelerates both masses at 9.8 m/s^2. Remember that g is acceleration, not force, which is big F. ie. F = G.m1.m2/r^2. In this equation m1 could be the mass of the Earth and m2 is a smaller mass being attracted to it by F.
Having said that, we must be careful not to confuse F with normal forces for the simple reason that we have no idea whatsoever how a gravitational field works. Nor do we have any idea how a magnetic field or an electromagnetic field works.
Newton’s 2nd law is F = ma, which is stated F = mg for vertical gravitational fields, and is used to determine the effect of f on m. f = ma applies only in a vacuum where there are no other forces acting on the mass, including surface resistance. When those come into it they must be summed under F.
‘g’ is the vertical acceleration produced by F and it is a constant of 9.8 m/s^2. In my last reply I equated mass 1 and mass 2 to g as…
f1/m1 = g = f2/m2
This comes from f = ma = mg where all pertinent ratios of f and m must equal the constant g.
We can see from that relationship that the force on the greater mass is greater than than on the smaller mass which makes little sense. However, we must consider that gravitational force, which no one understands, is the cumulative effects of a gravitational field on each atoms in a mass. Therefore, if there are more atoms in a mass, where each atom in the greater mass has more mass than atoms in a lighter mass, then more force is applied per atom in the larger mass.
That is generally how fields operate on a mass.
Gravity is not a force per see even though it acts like one. It is a field, like a magnetic field. If you place two pieces of iron in a magnetic field, one with a greater mass, then the piece of iron with the greater mass experiences a greater force applied to it.
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In your example, the mass closer to the ground has a greater mass than the one farther from the ground therefore experiences a greater force than the smaller one.
Newton defined mass as matter with a variable capacity to resist motion, the property being called inertia. If the mass is in motion it has the same property but to differentiate that from inertia, we call it momentum. However, if a mass has been accelerated and it is moving at a constant speed it has momentum, however, if another force is applied, there is an inertia countering it which resists the change from a constant velocity.
This all comes down to the number of atoms in a mass and the atomic weight of each atom.
If a mass is sitting still on a surface and a force is applied to it in a horizontal direction, the mass has an inertia that resists motion. The greater the mass, the greater the resistance. Newton also stipulated that the force must be great enough to move the mass. Therefore, inertia must be related to the number of atoms in a mass and the atomic weight of each atom.
It’s the same in free air. This time the force acts vertically and the greater the mass the more resistance it has to a change in position. However, we are dealing with a balance beam with a greater mass equidistant from a fulcrum as a smaller mass. The torque about the fulcrum is measured as the force applied times the distance from the fulcrum. It stands to reason that f1d on the heavier mass side is greater than the f2d on the smaller mass side, therefore the balance beam dips on the heavier mass side.
We tend to think in terms of up and down but in the universe there is no up and down. Down becomes the direction of gravitational force and up is the opposite direction. If you take a mass far enough from a gravitational field, up and down disappears for it and so does weight.
I can confirm that if two identical weights are suspended at different levels below a laboratory balance, the lower weight pulls harder on the balance because the gravitational pull on that weight is larger.
One of my pupils used this method to investigate the Earth’s gravity. A three storey staircase gave enough height to produce a measurable effect.
Cool! Just a basic balance worked?
ent…did you try reversing the two weights and suspension material to see if perhaps the scale had an issue? I presume you used strings/ropes of different lengths, in which case the mass of the strings/ropes could make the difference. Can you supply the specifics?
Also, did you try suspension material of different lengths to see if there was a constant ratio of the forces versus the lengths? I’d be curious to see how the scales handled the weights directly, whether there was a slight deflection of the needle.
Three stories is roughly 30 feet. At which levels were the weights connected?
You’ll be familiar with the two pan balance seen widely in glass cases in chemistry labs before electronic balances came into use.They measure to about 0.01grams.
The usual controls were used. The was about rop was about 32 feet and the supporting cotton threads allowed both weights to be hung at the top or bottom of the staircase or coiled to hang either or both weights at the top.
The weights came from a grandfather clock.2kg each(?), plus small paper weight for fine adjustment of the balance. There was some concern that they would strain the balance, but it held OK.
Actually the hardest part was rigging a shelf above the upstairs bannister and persuading a rather protective lab tech to let us drill holes for the threads through the bottom of the case.
The actual measurements used the vernier adjustor on the balance
The effect is 3 parts per million.
So out of 200 g that is 600 micrograms.
Measurable?
There is an effect, and it can be calculated very easily. The relative difference in elevation would be more significant at sea level than on a tall mountain.
The Trumping Boy, as we all see him here in Europe: one of many, and among these many, the one who has the most to learn.
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Two judges have been arrested over supporting illegal aliens.
And the new “TRUMP 2028” caps are now available. Be the first on your block!
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You do know that is illegal? Currently,
That could be why they got arrested.
He didn’t get arrested for selling Trump 2028 caps.
You were already told why they were arrested, child.
Try to pay attention.
This does not bode well for Trump and the FBI. You can’t show up without a warrant then charge a judge with obstruction of justice. And Trump is already on a short leash
You are talking about 2028, but I doubt that Trump will finish this term if the US is the bastion of democracy they claim to be. He will surely be impeached along with his sycophant VP.
More than half of US citizens do not support his redneck techniques and it will come down to the military as to whether they will support him in setting up a totalitarian state.
This is of interest to me since based on what I have written about Trump I will surely end up in a concentration camp. If that’s what you and Stephen stand for, please enlighten us now so we know with whom we are dealing.
But not why Trump wasn’t arrested.
Gordo,
You don’t have to have a warrant to make an arrest in a public area. Why so vociferously defending these criminals? Do you vociferously defend criminals in Canada?
You mean Trump?
We don’t know that they are criminals.
They were deported without due process.
Stephen
In “A Man For All Seasons” Thomas More tells Roper “I will give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety.”
The Marxist government which follows Trump might decide to lock up Rightists like yourself without due process, citing Trump as a precedent.
Ent,
How’s Wales? How are the bogs?
Gordon Robertson.
1/ Regarding Peer Review and Faraday: You’re welcome.
2/ Here’s why Akasofu has long been relegated to the dustbin of history.
Akasofu’s model:
Reality:
3/ You seem very confused about heat transfer. You wrote: “ The hard science is actually thermodynamics, there being no such science as a radiative heat transfer discipline.”
Total B.S. Thermodynamics alone does not address the mechanisms of energy transfer. Thermodynamics dictates the direction and limits of energy processes, while modes of transfer -conduction, convection, and radiation- are the domain of heat transfer theory. This is basic knowledge for an engineer which, if I remember correctly, you claim to be one!
But I digress.
I simply want to remind you that the issue under discussion is not the “initial and final conditions” as you pretend with your IGL deflection; the issue is how the Earth System’s energy imbalance is causing global mean temperature to rise.
You mention the Heat Diffusion Equation, but I don’t think you know what it entails. You can derive it starting from the principle of conservation of energy, but maybe you’ve never been exposed to this derivation, no?
Can you at least agree that what causes the temperature of a system (or body) to change is the balance of Energy In and Energy Out?
ark….”global temperatures have continued to rise since 2010; the years 2015 through 2024 rank among the warmest on record”.
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Not so. The IPCC acknowledged, in 2013, a flat trend from 1998 – 2012. some 15 years. The UAH record revealed another 3 years of flat trend at least. That means 18 years without warming. Then in 2016, another warming spike occurred and hung around for some time. That sudden spurt in warming is not considered due to anthropogenic warming since it occurred so rapidly.
The 2016 spurt was followed with a 6 year flat trend. The global average was decreasing when suddenly the Hunga Tonga eruption dumped millions of tons of water into the stratosphere resulting in another major blip.
There is no evidence of anthropogenic warming since 1998, so Akasofu is right. He claimed that natural ocean oscillations have intervened to flatten the trend but he expects the trend to continue once the oscillations lose effect.
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“Thermodynamics alone does not address the mechanisms of energy transfer. Thermodynamics dictates the direction and limits of energy processes, while modes of transfer -conduction, convection, and radiation- are the domain of heat transfer theory”.
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Contradiction. You claim thermodynamics does not address the mechanisms of energy transfer then claim it dictates the limits of energy processes. Since thermodynamics is the study of heat and heat processes, and not energy transfers in general, it does address the domain of heat transfer theory.
The main theory covering heat transfer direction is the 2nd law OF THERMODYNAMICS. The 1st law covers the relationship between heat and work in a process and is not a general law of energy conservation as is often claimed.
You don’t seem to understand that heat is energy. You have been taking in Clint’s propaganda that heat is a mode of energy transfer and not the energy being transferred. Clint gets his propaganda from textbooks where scientists have become confused about heat themselves.
Energy is a complete unknown. No one knows literally what it is. It is loosely defined as the capacity to do work, which is a fairly general albeit imprecise yet accurate description. However, the umbrella term ‘energy’ tells us nothing about what form of energy is involved. Therefore, energy is described as to type based on the effect it has on matter.
To complicate matters, energy is also described as static energy we call potential energy and energy in motion which we call kinetic energy. The naive think of those descriptors as energy whereas all they do is describe any energy which is in motion or which is waiting to be in motion once activated. PE and KE refer to ALL energies that are static or in motion.
Heat, or thermal energy, is used to describe the energy related to atoms. If the atoms are in motion, we describe it as kinetic energy and offer the formula KE = 1/2mv^2. That KE describes thermal energy, or heat, meaning the faster the electrons and/or atoms move (in a gas or liquid, or vibrate in a solid) the more heat and the higher the temperature. After all, temperature is a human invention created to measure relative heat levels.
We also have the case where the atom is divided into particles, such a protons and electrons. According to Bohr, the protons in the nucleus create a potential energy field in which negatively charged electrons are orbiting. The electrons have kinetic energy since they have a mass and a velocity.
If an electron absorbs heat, or electromagnetic energy, its KE increases and it jumps quantumly to a higher orbital energy level. It only remains their briefly and as it drops back it emits a quantum of EM while giving up an equivalent amount of KE, which is heat. Hence, as EM is radiated, a mass cools. That means there is no heat to be trapped.
The meaning is clear. If that atom is on the Earth’s surface, and the atoms absorbs SW solar energy, it jumps to a higher orbital energy level and the temperature of the surface rises. When that electron drops back it emits EM equivalent to the terrestrial temperature of the surface, and LOSES HEAT (KE).
Thermodynamics is the study of such processes at the macro level. Thermodynamics has no interest in the atomic level processes but it is a study of a specific form of energy called heat.
Mechanical energy is another form of energy. It involves the motion of masses under forces. Another form of energy, electrical energy, studies specifically the motion of electrons under the influence of electrical and magnetic fields. The field represent potential energy while the motion of electrons and their charges represent kinetic energy.
Chemical energy is related to the energy stored in the bonds that connect atoms. It can involved electron energy as well but only in the context of atomic bonds. Chemical energy deals with electron orbitals wheres nuclear energy is related only to the nucleus.
Therefore, thermal, chemical, and nuclear energy are all related to the internal structures of atoms whereas mechanical energy is related to the macro, external properties of collections of atoms we call mass.
Electromagnetic and magnetic energies are related to electric and mechanical fields produced by electrons in motion.
It is clear that using the term energy without specifying the form of energy is ingenuous. Climate alarmists are notorious for formulating pseudo-science based on a generalization of the meaning of energy.
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“Can you at least agree that what causes the temperature of a system (or body) to change is the balance of Energy In and Energy Out?”
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Far too general. Temperature is a measure of relative heat levels and measures no other form of energy. The balance of energy is actually a balance of heat in versus heat out but that becomes complicated when the processes is clearly understood, because heat cannot flow through space.
We are talking about global average temperature which is a measure of average levels of heat in the Earth’s system. Solar energy enters the Earth system as electromagnetic energy, which is not heat. EM is an electric field orthogonal to a magnetic field and it interacts with electrons in surface atoms to increase their orbital energy level. When the electrons rise to higher energy levels their KE increases and the mass effect is for the entire mass to heat up.
The mass will not lose the heat rapidly in a warmer location on Earth, in fact, the surface retains it for a time. Before it is all lost, the Earth rotates and the warming process begins anew. Meantime, with seasonal changes due to the Earth’s tilt and orbit, some parts of he planet cool below 0C while the Equatorial zones remain warm.
I am trying to say that heating/cooling is a complex process that cannot be brought down to simple energy in versus energy out. Besides, both energy in and energy out are electromagnetic energies and not heat. Even at that, we need to ask whether all energy hat enters actually leaves.
I don’t think it does and I have explained why. Heat removed from the surface via direct conduction to all air molecules and the subsequent rise of the heat air via convection, gradually dissipate the heat as the air rises into progressively cooler air. Heat dissipated internally cannot leave.
I think the Earth’s average temperature of about 15C is due to retained energy as heat. If the so-called energy balance was due to a straight energy in versus energy out, the planet would be a much cooler, inhospitable place to live.
1/ Akasofu was wrong!
Look at the headline graph of this page for TLT trends: +0.15 deg/ C/decade (+0.22 C/decade over land, +0.13 C/decade over oceans).
Surface temperature data are also readily available.
2/ Energy is not an unknown.
3/ You don’t seem to grasp the meaning of the phrase “energy balance.” It simply means Energy In minus Energy Out. Sometimes it’s positive and the system warms; sometimes it’s negative and the system cools; sometimes it’s zero and temperature does not change. Simple.
This is all I’m going to say to you on this subject.
Look at the graph at the top of this page Mr. Rocket Scientist. Do you know how to read a graph visually (by inspection), mentally adding and subtracting like in calculus? They teach us that stuff in engineering. It’s all there and Akasofu was right. So was the IPCC, who agree there was zero net warming from 1998 – 2012.
There have been a couple of yearly unexplained sudden step rises over the years but anthropogenic warming could not suddenly increase global temps in one year
If energy is not an unknown phenomenon then explain what it is. Not some dumbass general description, but tell us exactly what it is. I can tell you what it does but I cannot tell you what it is.
I got the energy in – energy out a long time ago. It’s a reference to EM energy in versus EM energy out. What you don’t seem to grasp is that EM is not heat. To absorb it or emit it requires a process involving the electrons in atom, which convert it to heat and back.
I bet you fail to grasp that the heat you feel while standing in sunshine is produced locally on your skin by electrons. heat cannot pas through the vacuum of space between here and the Sun.
Gordon
You say
“I think the Earths average temperature of about 15C is due to retained energy as heat. If the so-called energy balance was due to a straight energy in versus energy out, the planet would be a much cooler, inhospitable place to live.”
With slight expansion you are correct
I think the Earths average temperature of about 15C is due to retained energy as heat [due to the greenhouse effect]. If the so-called energy balance was due to a straight energy in versus energy out, the planet would be a much cooler [255K], inhospitable place to live.
Gordon
You say
“I think the Earths average temperature of about 15C is due to retained energy as heat. If the so-called energy balance was due to a straight energy in versus energy out, the planet would be a much cooler, inhospitable place to live.”
With slight expansion you are correct
I think the Earths average temperature of about 15C is due to retained energy as heat [due to the greenhouse effect]. If the so-called energy balance was due to a straight energy in versus energy out [with no greenhouse effect], the planet would be a much cooler , inhospitable place to live.
That “255K” is nonsense. It is the calculation for an imaginary sphere. Earth has oceans and atmosphere. That phony calculation doesn’t even work for a bare object like Moon.
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Ark, you copied that from XKCD. Randall allows for that, but asks that you always give him credit — This means that you are free to copy and reuse any of my drawings (noncommercially) as long as you tell people where they’re from.
Yes, some of his stuff has a strong Leftist slant. But most of his other material can be quite clever.
Yep leave it XKCD to bring clarity to an issue.
The Trade Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight.
Talks or no talks? Bessent fails to back Trump on China claim. https://youtu.be/jQyr5lYldfc
Trump Claims He’s Made 200 Deals on Tariffs. His Cabinet Members Can’t Name One. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-trade-deals-cabinet-cant-name-any-1235326080/
Yup, the negotiations can be very complex, as you’re learning.
If that’s too complex for you, Puffman, try this:
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Let’s await to see how Donald’s impopularity will be spun as a master gambit!
Complex, yes. Thus ~100 countries in 90 days was absurd from the getgo.
“That 255K is nonsense. It is the calculation for an imaginary sphere. Earth has oceans and atmosphere. That phony calculation doesnt even work for a bare object like Moon.”
Hello Clint,
That 255K is the limit that the Earth could cool too given enough time assuming the solar input is constant.
The Earth has been cooling towards that point for 4.5 billion years or so and must continue to do so as the 2Lot demands.
The rate of cooling may increase or decrease due to physical and chemical changes that occur as it cools, but it cannot be stopped.
Interesting beliefs there, Phil J. But you have to remember, beliefs ain’t science.
I don’t know what source you are getting all that from, but if someone believes Earth will cool to 255K, under current conditions, then that person needs to produce the science to support that belief.
And, that’s not going to happen, is it?